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OK, I need to explain about adrenalin.....

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sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 07:20

It really bugs me when people on MN talk rubbish, and when they don't know simple science - and I KNOW everyone in the country has been taught this, as it is in the GCSE double award, which is the minimum amount of science that is compulsory in England.

It is called fright, flight or fight.

After a scare or injury, you are flooded with adrenalin, which is a hormone that diverts blood from digestion, immune system and other non critical systems. Blood rushes to heart and lungs, getting oxygen into muscles double speed, giving you more power and strength short term than your body can sustain longer term. You don't feel pain, you feel energy and aggression.

Yes, if you are shot in the ear, you first and most natural response is likely to be defiance and retaliation, pushing away security, ignoring danger, gestures of defiance or triumph.

I don't like the man, and I may even be a little bit sorry he wasn't hurt worse, but his reaction is not "unnatural" or "looks staged" or "obviously planned and acted" -on the contrary, it is entirely as you would expect.

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ThePoshUns · 14/07/2024 08:21

Gosh thank you for your expertise and coming on Mumsnet so educate us silly little women. Bravo you.

Enko · 14/07/2024 08:19

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:17

no, it really wasn't - if you think it was, then you are one of the people not understanding the science.

Go back reread your post and then go look up the 4 stress responses. You got 2 of them.

You also have not yet acknowledged that not everyone here will have taken GCSE's or even had their education in the UK.

Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 08:19

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:16

no it wasn't

It was. You referred to ‘fright’ and omitted freeze.

MsNorburry · 14/07/2024 08:19

You can see fawn in subtle ways. Subtle as in not life or death, but obvious when you can identify their response to stress. Stress can be maintaining social status.

Fawners identify two groups of people, 1) association with you validates me. 2) association with you does not validate me.

watch them fawn over people who they want validation from, and then stone cold ignore anybody they consider beneath them.

Anniegetyourgun · 14/07/2024 08:18

It must be nice to know everything...

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:17

BingoMarieHeeler · 14/07/2024 08:17

It really was 😆

no, it really wasn't - if you think it was, then you are one of the people not understanding the science.

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BingoMarieHeeler · 14/07/2024 08:17

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:17

dont you understand that the wording doesn't matter? There isn't a "correct wording". It is about science. It is about understanding the principle

Words do have meanings, you know.

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:17

ttcat37 · 14/07/2024 08:15

It does really, because you’re giving everybody a telling off for not listening in their gcse science class, but it seems that you didn’t listen either. Straight to detention!

dont you understand that the wording doesn't matter? There isn't a "correct wording". It is about science. It is about understanding the principle

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BingoMarieHeeler · 14/07/2024 08:17

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:16

no it wasn't

It really was 😆

tahinitoast · 14/07/2024 08:16

user1984778379202 · 14/07/2024 07:50

Are you going to set us homework too?

🤣🤣🤣

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:16

Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 08:15

But your OP was incorrect…. How ironic.

no it wasn't

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ttcat37 · 14/07/2024 08:15

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:14

It doesn't matter, the principle is the same

It does really, because you’re giving everybody a telling off for not listening in their gcse science class, but it seems that you didn’t listen either. Straight to detention!

Enko · 14/07/2024 08:15

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:13

His name is irrelevant, really, I am not particularly concerned about him, I am just giving people the opportunity to understand basic science a bit better. I am concerned about lack of understanding of something very simple that everyone has covered at school! This sort of thing does come up quite regularly on MN

Basic science understood better when you got it wrong? Plus then you dismiss other comments. If you want to complain others have it wrong then acknowledge when you do wrong yourself.

I do agree his reaction was normal.

Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 08:15

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:13

His name is irrelevant, really, I am not particularly concerned about him, I am just giving people the opportunity to understand basic science a bit better. I am concerned about lack of understanding of something very simple that everyone has covered at school! This sort of thing does come up quite regularly on MN

But your OP was incorrect…. How ironic.

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:15

Cityandmakeup · 14/07/2024 08:00

😂 they should be embarrassed

That's a bit rude? Loads of people didn't do the UK GCSE science. And those who failed just aren't science minded.

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:14

ttcat37 · 14/07/2024 08:14

I thought it was fight, flight, freeze or faint? Make sure you’re right if you’re going to lecture us

It doesn't matter, the principle is the same

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ttcat37 · 14/07/2024 08:14

I thought it was fight, flight, freeze or faint? Make sure you’re right if you’re going to lecture us

Tinkerbot · 14/07/2024 08:14

Who’s been shot in the ear? Trump?

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:13

Bobbotgegrinch · 14/07/2024 08:01

Marvellous. Another thread about that knob head. You couldn't have put his name in the title?

His name is irrelevant, really, I am not particularly concerned about him, I am just giving people the opportunity to understand basic science a bit better. I am concerned about lack of understanding of something very simple that everyone has covered at school! This sort of thing does come up quite regularly on MN

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Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 14/07/2024 08:13

Cityandmakeup · 14/07/2024 08:00

😂 they should be embarrassed

Ha l have no shame - hated every single thing about Science and totally switched off in lessons!!

BingoMarieHeeler · 14/07/2024 08:13

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:08

It doesn't matter, the principle is the same

But you said fright, flight and fight 🤷🏻‍♀️ nothing about fawn or freeze. The tone of your OP is just not a good look.

BingoMarieHeeler · 14/07/2024 08:12

Enko · 14/07/2024 08:10

The freeze and fawn responses exert distinct short-term and long-term effects on the body. The freeze response induces a state of immobilisation, leading to muscle tension and a sense of detachment. Meanwhile, the fawn response involves accommodating others to seek approval, often resulting in emotional exhaustion, internal conflict, and a lack of trust and connection to one’s own body.

So not the same no. It's actually a rather fascinating area of human psychology/responses.

Oh wow yeah that is interesting! Makes sense.

MsNorburry · 14/07/2024 08:11

Fawn was recognised later. But fawn is not the same as freeze.
I've read pete walkers books. Not an expert obs tho

Enko · 14/07/2024 08:10

BingoMarieHeeler · 14/07/2024 08:06

I thought it was fight, flight and freeze. Fawn and freeze are surely the same? Or is fawn like lay down and let them do what they want to you, and freeze is play dead and hope they ignore you? 😅

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The freeze and fawn responses exert distinct short-term and long-term effects on the body. The freeze response induces a state of immobilisation, leading to muscle tension and a sense of detachment. Meanwhile, the fawn response involves accommodating others to seek approval, often resulting in emotional exhaustion, internal conflict, and a lack of trust and connection to one’s own body.

So not the same no. It's actually a rather fascinating area of human psychology/responses.

Vallmo47 · 14/07/2024 08:09

It’s equally shocking when people can’t spell, did they not take English in the U.K.? I’m aware we all have our strengths and weaknesses OP, just think you should be too.