Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

OK, I need to explain about adrenalin.....

195 replies

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 07:20

It really bugs me when people on MN talk rubbish, and when they don't know simple science - and I KNOW everyone in the country has been taught this, as it is in the GCSE double award, which is the minimum amount of science that is compulsory in England.

It is called fright, flight or fight.

After a scare or injury, you are flooded with adrenalin, which is a hormone that diverts blood from digestion, immune system and other non critical systems. Blood rushes to heart and lungs, getting oxygen into muscles double speed, giving you more power and strength short term than your body can sustain longer term. You don't feel pain, you feel energy and aggression.

Yes, if you are shot in the ear, you first and most natural response is likely to be defiance and retaliation, pushing away security, ignoring danger, gestures of defiance or triumph.

I don't like the man, and I may even be a little bit sorry he wasn't hurt worse, but his reaction is not "unnatural" or "looks staged" or "obviously planned and acted" -on the contrary, it is entirely as you would expect.

OP posts:
Enko · 14/07/2024 08:36

Op if your posts have always got the attitude of this one I am not surprised you feel people have a go at you. It's about tone.

Semantics does matter btw. Semantics are about the meaning of a word phrase or text.

Fright means :a sudden intense feeling of fear.

Freeze (in this context as we are not talking of liquids but people) means: become suddenly motionless or paralysed with fear or shock.
"she froze in horror"

I am dyslexic too and English is my second language.

I happen to find the stress responses very interesting and an area I have read extensively about due to this. I took science in the mid 80s not in the UK and no we were not taught about this in science. (It was pure chemistry for us)

ZellyFitzgerald · 14/07/2024 08:35

The irony of someone 'teaching' others and getting it wrong themselves.

It's the five Fs....Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn and Flop.

And Adrenaline is spelt with an e on the end.

Happy to educate you OP.

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/07/2024 08:33

SpanielintheWorks · 14/07/2024 07:57

Speak for yourself about the Double Science, ducky. People existed before the start of GCSEs.

Quite. I didn’t do GCSEs. And I didn’t learn about adrenaline. And I didn’t do double science. Back in the day, it was single general science.

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:33

If you'd posted with a different title and altered your opening paragraph people may have been more receptive to your message

Ellmau · 14/07/2024 08:32

I KNOW everyone in the country has been taught this, as it is in the GCSE double award, which is the minimum amount of science that is compulsory in England.

You mean everyone your age. I'm pre-GCSE and I didn't have to do any science O levels at all.

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:29

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:25

Would you or would you just not be awarded a mark?

no, you would get the mark - because it is correct. GCSE marker here.

OP posts:
TroysMammy · 14/07/2024 08:28

I failed O'level biology but still know about fight, flight and freeze from watching programmes on air accidents.

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:28

It is quite interesting how many people here are (probably quite genuinely) misunderstanding the difference between semantics and science. The semantics is to support science understanding, it isn't the actual science.

OP posts:
sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:27

AndThatsItReally · 14/07/2024 08:21

People do not want to learn anything - it's by far the most fashionable thing to be proud of one's ignorance and dismiss or belittle or worse anyone who tries to tell you something you didn't know.

If you already knew that, (and had maybe experienced it for yourself) - ignore the OP. If you didn't know that you think, "Ah, that explains it... I didn't know".

If you disagree or want to add something - do so - and widen the issue and we all learn more.

Or - popular option - attack the person who raised the issue and try to drag them down. More fun, bigs yourself up!

Thank you, yes I always know, when I post anything on Mumsnet, that there is immediately going to be bullies attacking, for my dydslexia, for my choice of words, for their own misreading, for just the pleasure of bullying... I wouldn't post if I cared about that.

But there are always the lurkers, the people who just read quietly, and I know that there will be some who leave understanding a bit better. There might even be GCSE candidates who will be more able to apply the words in a science text book to real situations now, either they have read this themselves, or maybe a parent who helps with revision has read it.

OP posts:
Enko · 14/07/2024 08:26

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:25

Would you or would you just not be awarded a mark?

Likely not awarded a mark 😁

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:25

Enko · 14/07/2024 08:24

If you put fright in your GCSE answers for what the stress responses are you would be marked down.

Would you or would you just not be awarded a mark?

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:25

MotherFeministWoman · 14/07/2024 08:24

Who are you even talking about?

Donald Trumpleton

Enko · 14/07/2024 08:24

If you put fright in your GCSE answers for what the stress responses are you would be marked down.

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:24

BingoMarieHeeler · 14/07/2024 08:23

That would be a good point if what OP was saying was actually correct. But opening with a post with that tone, which has mistakes in it, is incredible.

Yeah it's the attitude of the OP that's got people's backs up

MichaelAndEagle · 14/07/2024 08:24

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:23

Trump though I thought he was hit by a bit of teleprompter not shot in the ear

Oh wow! Off to find the news!

MotherFeministWoman · 14/07/2024 08:24

Who are you even talking about?

BingoMarieHeeler · 14/07/2024 08:23

AndThatsItReally · 14/07/2024 08:21

People do not want to learn anything - it's by far the most fashionable thing to be proud of one's ignorance and dismiss or belittle or worse anyone who tries to tell you something you didn't know.

If you already knew that, (and had maybe experienced it for yourself) - ignore the OP. If you didn't know that you think, "Ah, that explains it... I didn't know".

If you disagree or want to add something - do so - and widen the issue and we all learn more.

Or - popular option - attack the person who raised the issue and try to drag them down. More fun, bigs yourself up!

That would be a good point if what OP was saying was actually correct. But opening with a post with that tone, which has mistakes in it, is incredible.

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:23

MichaelAndEagle · 14/07/2024 08:22

Who are we talking about? Someone's been shot in the ear? And they punched the air?

Trump though I thought he was hit by a bit of teleprompter not shot in the ear

Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 08:23

Lead me to an academic document that references the responses of the autonomic nervous system as ‘fright, fight and flight’ and I’ll eat humble pie. Fright is not synonymous with freeze.

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:22

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:13

His name is irrelevant, really, I am not particularly concerned about him, I am just giving people the opportunity to understand basic science a bit better. I am concerned about lack of understanding of something very simple that everyone has covered at school! This sort of thing does come up quite regularly on MN

has everyone covered it at school though?

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:22

Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 08:19

It was. You referred to ‘fright’ and omitted freeze.

They are both equally right, it is just a set of words to help students remember the scientific principle, it isn't right or wrong to include "freeze". There are other forms of this phrase with other words in. The point is, the principle. Going all out on the semantics just shows you don't understand that the semantics are not what it is about.

OP posts:
MichaelAndEagle · 14/07/2024 08:22

Who are we talking about? Someone's been shot in the ear? And they punched the air?

ThinWomansBrain · 14/07/2024 08:22

Serencwtch · 14/07/2024 07:47

Your GCSE in double science doesn't actually make you an expert.

Guess what? there may be people here that did proper science O Levels/CSEs in physics/chemistry/biology and human biology before 'double science" was dreamed up.
Presumably for students that weren't up to studying sciences in any depth.

AndThatsItReally · 14/07/2024 08:21

People do not want to learn anything - it's by far the most fashionable thing to be proud of one's ignorance and dismiss or belittle or worse anyone who tries to tell you something you didn't know.

If you already knew that, (and had maybe experienced it for yourself) - ignore the OP. If you didn't know that you think, "Ah, that explains it... I didn't know".

If you disagree or want to add something - do so - and widen the issue and we all learn more.

Or - popular option - attack the person who raised the issue and try to drag them down. More fun, bigs yourself up!

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 08:21

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:17

dont you understand that the wording doesn't matter? There isn't a "correct wording". It is about science. It is about understanding the principle

What are you on about? Of course there is correct terminology, so that researchers know what each other are talking about. They define terms all the time.