To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

You not seeing an issue with it doesn't mean there isn't an issue with it. 🫣

I solo hike and camp, campsites say that they are dog friendly, but there's no way of knowing until arrival how friendly. Is my dog allowed in the cafe/facilities block? If my dog is not welcome, neither am I. I do take my dog in the facilities, neither he nor I want him tied up outside. He makes less mess and causes less trouble than many adults or children.

Dogs have to be under control at all times in public spaces. They can't be under control if you're not with them. I would think anyone who left a dog unattended and unwatched was a bell end of ultimate proportions.

Also, if someone came up to my dog without me there, he would 100% bite them. People can't be trusted not to touch and not to steal.

Tbh I always take my dogs in public toilets. I don’t see an issue with it, they’re literally in there for minutes and make no mess. I would never leave my dog tied up outside, there’s way too many dog thefts nowadays

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A commons paper? Written by the government, collected from the police and their utterly useless statistics? Right. Which part of “dog theft is not recorded as dog theft” is not clear? You have spent 2 minutes and googled. I have spent YEARS dealing with this shit, speaking to police forces across the country, every day. Dog theft IS NOT recorded as dog theft in a lot of cases, it is recorded as theft of a possession. My own dog was recorded as theft of a possession, the majority still are. Therefore, there are no meaningful statistics on dog theft because a lot of police forces have never recorded it as a separate crime. I’m not quite sure on what basis you say “I don’t believe that” but you are, quite simply, wrong.

No idea, that's not my problem. It's not an excuse to blatantly ignore 'no dogs' signs though.

There’s a commons library paper that covers the stats and their collection. It accepts limitations in them but there’s broad agreement about the scale. It just doesn’t seem to be true that the stats are “meaningless”.

I’ve been camping a few times but I’m not really a fan. I find some of the types of people that go camping are weird. I left shower gel by accident in a shower (that was full to the brim with spiders and midges it was a fucking horror show) and someone stole it even after I had gone back to retrieve it after five minutes. Thieving cunt. I don’t know how I’m answering your question here but yeah I’d be annoyed if there was a blatant sign saying no dogs and yet people still bring dogs, into a space that’s meant for humans to get clean and go to the loo in peace.

Dogs have never been routinely taken into toilets.

@sarahd29 i have a lot more than 4. And I will never, ever leave one in the car unaccompanied for a single minute, ever again. Because, like you say, it can happen anywhere.

@FinalCeleryScheme if you can be arsed, ask your local police force how dog theft is recorded. I deal with this every day. You have no idea.

Horrible, but could happen anywhere. I'm going to have to leave them in the car at some point even if it's the vets especially as we have 4.

Hopefully if that happens they will take the very barker/whiney one as I'm know he'll be bought back quickly. That's a joke before mumsnet goes mad.

Still wouldn't take my dog in the loo. I like him but it's not fair on others. It feels a bit grim.

What have you reported and why?

I’m sorry, I don’t believe that. There are stats. They may be imperfect but they give us a good idea of the scale of dog theft. And it’s tiny.

@Justforthisthread24 But wanted to add I’m really happy you got her back.

I wouldn’t bother responding to @FinalCeleryScheme There’s clearly some issues there, but I’ve reported the post anyway.

@Justforthisthread24
So awful. And, yes, not something you will ever completely recover from.

@FinalCeleryScheme Unfortunately, your statistics are entirely wrong. Until recently, the police didn’t have the ability to record dog theft. It went down as theft of a possession, similar to a car radio or a handbag. It was not a category in its own right and for a lot of forces, still isn’t. Shit, but true. So the statistics are meaningless. And yes, I believe the utter arsehole that stole my dog for money, who put me and my family through 6 months of utter, utter hell, should pay a heavy price. But, you will be pleased to hear, I’m sure, that they don’t. A slap on the wrist at best. It’s appalling.

@Justforthisthread24 im so sorry this happened to you. Very glad you got her back. I can’t begin to imagine how horrible that 6 months was.

According to this site there are about 13 million dogs in the UK: https://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/how-many-dogs-are-there-in-the-uk-statistics#:~:text=There%20are%20approximately%2013%20million,dog%2Downing%20nation%20in%20Europe.

And according to Sky there were about 2,300 reports of stolen dogs last year:
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/dog-thefts-increase-across-uk-with-just-one-in-six-returned-last-year-13088880

So the likelihood of a stolen dog is so low as to be negligible. This hysteria about dog-napping is ludicrous.

(The Sky article is worth a read for the nutty and OTT reaction of a dog owner: “It’s a life sentence” 🙄.)

Jesus what is wrong with people?!

I'm so glad your dog is back and happy ❤️

I don't have a dog so won't experience dog theft.