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To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

OP posts:
Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 14:26

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 13:43

I took forceful as “ stop making valid points.” 🤣

Really?
I meant stop forcing YOUR point.

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 14:25

Malahide · 15/07/2024 13:35

There’s nothing forceful about fact. You really think that an animal who loves nothing more than rolling in smelly fox shit would care about being in a public toilet? 🤣

I see you've not read my actual words properly.

Afternoonteavirgin · 15/07/2024 14:11

Yes, I completely understand that.
I was more thinking would there be such a thing as a campsite that isn't suitable for dogs, period.

I was camping recently and no issues as there were two of us and we'd shower/go to the loo separately or one of us would wait outside the block with the dog.
I did notice quite a few people violating the rules about dogs (and kids!) in that some dogs were off lead when the campsite stipulated that they must be on leads at all times, and some were 'letting' their dog poo just outside their tent-I understand that it is difficult, you can't necessarily stop your dog pooing if they need to go, but I made sure I got up early each morning and zoomed down to the area nearby to walk the dog, to minimise that.. Some people just hung out at the tent all day and let their dog go whereever!

Lopine · 15/07/2024 13:58

Afternoonteavirgin · 15/07/2024 13:23

I'd always choose a dog friendly one even if I didn't have my own, as I like dogs. I am wondering what would render one 'not suitable'? Guessing that any that don't allow dogs is just organisation/owner preference and obviously good that people who don't like dogs/are allergic/phobic can have the choice.

In the example quoted, dogs are not allowed to be left alone in tents or taken into the loos, so logically they need to either be looked after by someone else or tied up outside. If these are the rules that the campsite have set and someone cannot abide by them, perhaps it isn’t suitable for them and their dog.

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 13:43

Malahide · 15/07/2024 13:35

There’s nothing forceful about fact. You really think that an animal who loves nothing more than rolling in smelly fox shit would care about being in a public toilet? 🤣

I took forceful as “ stop making valid points.” 🤣

Malahide · 15/07/2024 13:39

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 11:17

Choosing to roll in poo isn't the same as being forced into a toilet block with a whole host of new smells, none of which they can react naturally to (i.e. roll in).

The key difference is that you’re human and have a completely different thought process. You likely find poo/urine smells unpleasant, dogs do not. They actively seek them out.

Malahide · 15/07/2024 13:35

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 10:13

Stop being so forceful.

There’s nothing forceful about fact. You really think that an animal who loves nothing more than rolling in smelly fox shit would care about being in a public toilet? 🤣

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 15/07/2024 13:34

Mind you I was holiday once in Benidorm where a lady lifted her daughter into a food table and changed her nappy. No where is sterile. I soon put my food in the bin.

Nowhere near as vile as that but I was in an Indian restaurant once and a family sat their small child, just in its nappy, on the table. I was shocked enough at that but they then proceeded to dip the kids hands in curry sauce and hold them so they could make curry hand prints on the mirrored wall.

sarahd29 · 15/07/2024 13:29

We were so
embarrassed, but also
young, early twenties, first dog. Taught us a lesson that dogs cannot reason, oh that lovely family will want their sausages. I shall walk away...

That said, they did set up their camp in the
designated dog walking area, who knows maybe they had a dog themselves? Long time ago now and we were so busy apologising and scooping up and appeasing them.

The best advice is to keep
your bags up high, if you can get a table it's better then assuming where you're sat on grass hasn't been peed on. Mind you I was holiday once in Benidorm where a lady lifted her daughter into a food table and changed her nappy. No where is sterile. I soon put my food in the bin.

Afternoonteavirgin · 15/07/2024 13:23

Lopine · 15/07/2024 12:22

Maybe some campsites are not really suitable for some dogs.

I'd always choose a dog friendly one even if I didn't have my own, as I like dogs. I am wondering what would render one 'not suitable'? Guessing that any that don't allow dogs is just organisation/owner preference and obviously good that people who don't like dogs/are allergic/phobic can have the choice.

Longma · 15/07/2024 12:43

We are talking about a public loo in a dog friendly campsite.

Which has a sign on the outside saying 'no dogs' ...

I'm not sure why that sign suddenly becomes invisible to,some people with a dog.

Dog friendly doesn't mean that dogs are allowed everywhere and anywhere.

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 12:42

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 12:11

Im not bothered by either drinking water or seeing a picture of it but perhaps I’m missing your point.

I’m afraid that intentionally sniffing or rolling in poo is too far from anything I can relate to to comment usefully. I only know dogs don’t seem to mind sniffing poo.

You're definitely missing the point.

Lopine · 15/07/2024 12:22

Afternoonteavirgin · 15/07/2024 10:31

If you're not permitted to leave them in the tent unattended, and not permitted to take them into the loo, what should you do?

Tying them up outside isn't ideal-theft plus people can approach them and frighten them-some dogs will nip if that happens. Mine is terrified of small children so I'd be very irresponsible to do that.

I've never camped alone thus far but if I did I think I'd have to put her in the car-again, not everyone has a car, and if it was red hot that isn't something I could do either.

I can't see the big deal however. Not ideal to not follow rules but what is the actual issue with there being a dog in the loo/shower block? Assuming nobody with an overpowering dog phobia is going to go to a dog friendly campsite?

Maybe some campsites are not really suitable for some dogs.

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 12:11

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 11:42

Surely you can see the difference?
It's like eating food versus smelling food or having a drink of water versus looking at a picture of water. You can't really do what you'd naturally want to.

Im not bothered by either drinking water or seeing a picture of it but perhaps I’m missing your point.

I’m afraid that intentionally sniffing or rolling in poo is too far from anything I can relate to to comment usefully. I only know dogs don’t seem to mind sniffing poo.

K0OLA1D · 15/07/2024 12:10

Harrysarseinthedogbowl · 15/07/2024 08:13

I thought dogs were supposed to protect their owners! Where is the point of having one that can't even protect itself?

I didn't get an attack dog duck. Just one we could enjoy

Bellaboo01 · 15/07/2024 11:46

LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

Wouldn't bother me to be honest (i am assuming they are trained and not weeing or pooing)!!

It annoys me more at campsites when little kids keep poking their heads through whilst i am trying to go to the toilet!

Just speak to the owners of the campsite.

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 11:42

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 11:26

Well if you say so. I’m not going to keep investing in an argument about whether or not rolling in poo makes the smell more bearable.

Surely you can see the difference?
It's like eating food versus smelling food or having a drink of water versus looking at a picture of water. You can't really do what you'd naturally want to.

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 11:26

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 11:17

Choosing to roll in poo isn't the same as being forced into a toilet block with a whole host of new smells, none of which they can react naturally to (i.e. roll in).

Well if you say so. I’m not going to keep investing in an argument about whether or not rolling in poo makes the smell more bearable.

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 11:18

bottomsup48 · 15/07/2024 10:59

These threads always make me chuckle. Dog owners being called entitled by people who don't want their dogs inflected on them in any way. While apparently being totally oblivious to the fact that they share the planet with so many creatures, ways of life, beliefs, people, values they may not like/agree with - surely expecting them all to be kept away from you just because you don't like them is the very definition of intolerance and entitlement?

And on balance I still haven't seen a tangible reason why the op was so upset by the dog in the loo. Other than she didn't like that the owner had ignored the sign. So:

Dog owner doesn't leave dog outside because of risk of theft/escape/distress/injury/people approaching it unsupervised and being liable for anything that happens

Vs

Woman doesn't like the fact that someone has ignored a sign.

Logically I have to agree with the dog owner.

Lots of other logical comments have been made against this view though. 🫣

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 11:17

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 10:21

I feel pretty adamant about the dog- poo smell thing. They always have their nose in any lying about: bird poo, dog poo, deer poo.

Choosing to roll in poo isn't the same as being forced into a toilet block with a whole host of new smells, none of which they can react naturally to (i.e. roll in).

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 11:02

bottomsup48 · 15/07/2024 10:59

These threads always make me chuckle. Dog owners being called entitled by people who don't want their dogs inflected on them in any way. While apparently being totally oblivious to the fact that they share the planet with so many creatures, ways of life, beliefs, people, values they may not like/agree with - surely expecting them all to be kept away from you just because you don't like them is the very definition of intolerance and entitlement?

And on balance I still haven't seen a tangible reason why the op was so upset by the dog in the loo. Other than she didn't like that the owner had ignored the sign. So:

Dog owner doesn't leave dog outside because of risk of theft/escape/distress/injury/people approaching it unsupervised and being liable for anything that happens

Vs

Woman doesn't like the fact that someone has ignored a sign.

Logically I have to agree with the dog owner.

This encapsulates my thinking too.

bottomsup48 · 15/07/2024 10:59

These threads always make me chuckle. Dog owners being called entitled by people who don't want their dogs inflected on them in any way. While apparently being totally oblivious to the fact that they share the planet with so many creatures, ways of life, beliefs, people, values they may not like/agree with - surely expecting them all to be kept away from you just because you don't like them is the very definition of intolerance and entitlement?

And on balance I still haven't seen a tangible reason why the op was so upset by the dog in the loo. Other than she didn't like that the owner had ignored the sign. So:

Dog owner doesn't leave dog outside because of risk of theft/escape/distress/injury/people approaching it unsupervised and being liable for anything that happens

Vs

Woman doesn't like the fact that someone has ignored a sign.

Logically I have to agree with the dog owner.

Afternoonteavirgin · 15/07/2024 10:31

If you're not permitted to leave them in the tent unattended, and not permitted to take them into the loo, what should you do?

Tying them up outside isn't ideal-theft plus people can approach them and frighten them-some dogs will nip if that happens. Mine is terrified of small children so I'd be very irresponsible to do that.

I've never camped alone thus far but if I did I think I'd have to put her in the car-again, not everyone has a car, and if it was red hot that isn't something I could do either.

I can't see the big deal however. Not ideal to not follow rules but what is the actual issue with there being a dog in the loo/shower block? Assuming nobody with an overpowering dog phobia is going to go to a dog friendly campsite?

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 10:21

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 10:13

Stop being so forceful.

I feel pretty adamant about the dog- poo smell thing. They always have their nose in any lying about: bird poo, dog poo, deer poo.

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 10:14

Calliopespa · 15/07/2024 09:51

Now that really is gross.

Indeed. I wonder how many of the owners knew how these dogs were actually being 'walked'.