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To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

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Greenlittecat · 13/07/2024 13:35

PixieLaLar · 13/07/2024 13:24

I don’t. But in this instance it’s a stupid ‘rule’ that you can’t take a dog into a camp site toilet with you on a clearly dog friendly camp site!

So you only follow rules when you agree with them?

ChopSue · 13/07/2024 13:31

BlueGrackle · 13/07/2024 12:07

Lock them in car, or leave them with whoever you are camping with. It’s not fair to inflict a dog on other people who maybe frightened, or have allergies.
I have dogs, why can other dog owners not grasp this ?

You lock yours in THE CAR?!!! No you don’t! Surely.

ChopSue · 13/07/2024 13:29

BlueGrackle · 13/07/2024 11:35

Beware of dog owners that are so entitled that they can’t see beyond their own needs.

They’re not potentially inclined to being cruel though and there’s your difference.

Yupthatsit · 13/07/2024 13:27

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Wow that's awful. Do you honestly feel that way about single people with dogs? I see some horrible things on here but this has to be one of the worst I've seen.

ricecrispiecakes · 13/07/2024 13:27

PixieLaLar · 13/07/2024 13:24

I don’t. But in this instance it’s a stupid ‘rule’ that you can’t take a dog into a camp site toilet with you on a clearly dog friendly camp site!

Why is it stupid?

Dog friendly isn't the same as "dogs can go everywhere".

PixieLaLar · 13/07/2024 13:24

Greenlittecat · 13/07/2024 11:48

Why do you think the rules don't apply to you?

I don’t. But in this instance it’s a stupid ‘rule’ that you can’t take a dog into a camp site toilet with you on a clearly dog friendly camp site!

littleapplecottage · 13/07/2024 13:17

Obviously if the sign says 'No Dogs' then I wouldn't expect dogs to be in there. It's not exactly a pleasant environment as it is, let alone adding random dogs in the mix. I can't imagine many dogs would find it relaxing either.

I wouldn't take my dog into a loo unless unavoidable.
I'd happily tie it up outside (couldn't leave it in the tent as it would try and scratch its way out to me).

The problem with this is my dog is very cute looking and quite small/non-threatening looking, kids are drawn to them like moths to a flame - I don't like leaving my dog unsupervised if there are unsupervised children about just in case something happens.
So in that scenario I'm a bit stuffed and would possibly opt for a wild wee away from the crowds (I'm sure lots would find that even more gross!)

Calliopespa · 13/07/2024 13:03

Male dog enjoying his trip to the ladies loo…

Dog Smile GIF by MOODMAN
ricecrispiecakes · 13/07/2024 13:03

WiddlinDiddlin · 13/07/2024 12:57

Would the parent of the phobic child rather pass a barking dog tied to a fence near the toilets, or come across a loose panicked dog thats escaped a tent? Or a dog in a toilet cubicle with its owner, on a short lead and under control?

You really can't cater for every single eventuality, and at least if the dog is with its owner, you can say 'my child is phobic please give us space'.

Sometimes you have to make the decision that is safest for those you're responsible for, and it might not be the perfect choice for everyone in existance.

Or maybe people shouldn't take their dogs away on holiday if they don't have the means to care for them appropriately?

I have a dog, I love dogs - but I'm not so entitled as to think that I have the right to take my dog wherever I like, regardless of any rules or restrictions in place. Dogs aren't people - they will always come second (and rightfully so).

If you can't holiday alone with your dog without taking them everywhere, then it's your responsibility to check in advance that your accommodation and plans etc. are suitable for your needs.

WiddlinDiddlin · 13/07/2024 12:57

ricecrispiecakes · 13/07/2024 12:47

Not ideal, but once in that situation not sure what people are meant to do. On balance I'd rather they broke a rule about dogs in the toilets, than risk a dog getting loose on a campsite whilst unattended in a tent, or being left to over-heat in a car.

Would you feel the same way if you were the parent dealing with a phobic child, though? Probably not.

Ultimately, dog owners can't just do whatever they like and sod the consequences. If they have a dog who can't be left, then they shouldn't be camping alone with said dog.

Would the parent of the phobic child rather pass a barking dog tied to a fence near the toilets, or come across a loose panicked dog thats escaped a tent? Or a dog in a toilet cubicle with its owner, on a short lead and under control?

You really can't cater for every single eventuality, and at least if the dog is with its owner, you can say 'my child is phobic please give us space'.

Sometimes you have to make the decision that is safest for those you're responsible for, and it might not be the perfect choice for everyone in existance.

Calliopespa · 13/07/2024 12:55

WiddlinDiddlin · 13/07/2024 12:43

Yeah my dog would totally try to look at your minge..

Back to sensible-land though...

Tying dogs up outside places is a huge no-no.

Big risk of theft.

Big risk that someone claims the dog has frightened/bitten them, which you cannot really refute since you were not there, the dog was unattended.

Big risk someone lets their kids mither your dog and upset them - even the calmest of dogs can lose their ability to handle being without their owner for a few minutes if subjected to a child winding them up/boinking them on the head with something/kicking them/throwing things at them (not supposition, all things I have seen children doing to tied up dogs over the years).

Leaving the dog in a crate/car/tent - not always appropriate depending on the weather/dog/facilities available.

DP has on occasion, when travelling alone with a dog, had to take them into the loo at service stations. Too hot to leave in the car, not safe to leave tied up outside. I don't really see what other choice he has there.

Camping - mm, less clear cut, presumably if its too hot in a crate in the tent for the dog when you're not there, it's still too hot when you are there. So this is more likely the humans failure to prepare... ie they don't have a crate/didn't crate train their dog and so do not have somewhere safe to leave the dog.

Not ideal, but once in that situation not sure what people are meant to do. On balance I'd rather they broke a rule about dogs in the toilets, than risk a dog getting loose on a campsite whilst unattended in a tent, or being left to over-heat in a car.

Look … no.

Sniff … yes.

Calliopespa · 13/07/2024 12:54

Valeriesimpleton · 13/07/2024 12:28

You buy shit, you get shit. Stay in a proper hotel or villa if you don't like sharing a bog.

Sorry … I can’t resist editing your post to say:

“if you don’t like sharing a bog with a dog.”

stayathomer · 13/07/2024 12:50

It makes sense though, if on holidays with your dog and need to go to the toilet where do you put your dog? Totally get it, and what they’re there for a minute or two? It doesn’t really impact people that much, does it?

ricecrispiecakes · 13/07/2024 12:47

Not ideal, but once in that situation not sure what people are meant to do. On balance I'd rather they broke a rule about dogs in the toilets, than risk a dog getting loose on a campsite whilst unattended in a tent, or being left to over-heat in a car.

Would you feel the same way if you were the parent dealing with a phobic child, though? Probably not.

Ultimately, dog owners can't just do whatever they like and sod the consequences. If they have a dog who can't be left, then they shouldn't be camping alone with said dog.

Bewareofthisonetoo · 13/07/2024 12:47

TheBizzies · 13/07/2024 11:14

I'd be delighted to see a snout under my cubicle! I'd give it a boop

Good idea😂😂

CaptainMyCaptain · 13/07/2024 12:47

Tophelleborine · 13/07/2024 08:37

People have become utterly ridiculous about dogs. Just tie the fucker up outside and let it whine for a few minutes.

And if someone approaches it/provokes it and it bites them? I wouldn't leave my dog unattended. I haven't had to take her into the toilet because I'm always with my husband on the campsite or I can leave her in the camper van but I've seen people do it once or twice. What harm can it do?

WiddlinDiddlin · 13/07/2024 12:43

Yeah my dog would totally try to look at your minge..

Back to sensible-land though...

Tying dogs up outside places is a huge no-no.

Big risk of theft.

Big risk that someone claims the dog has frightened/bitten them, which you cannot really refute since you were not there, the dog was unattended.

Big risk someone lets their kids mither your dog and upset them - even the calmest of dogs can lose their ability to handle being without their owner for a few minutes if subjected to a child winding them up/boinking them on the head with something/kicking them/throwing things at them (not supposition, all things I have seen children doing to tied up dogs over the years).

Leaving the dog in a crate/car/tent - not always appropriate depending on the weather/dog/facilities available.

DP has on occasion, when travelling alone with a dog, had to take them into the loo at service stations. Too hot to leave in the car, not safe to leave tied up outside. I don't really see what other choice he has there.

Camping - mm, less clear cut, presumably if its too hot in a crate in the tent for the dog when you're not there, it's still too hot when you are there. So this is more likely the humans failure to prepare... ie they don't have a crate/didn't crate train their dog and so do not have somewhere safe to leave the dog.

Not ideal, but once in that situation not sure what people are meant to do. On balance I'd rather they broke a rule about dogs in the toilets, than risk a dog getting loose on a campsite whilst unattended in a tent, or being left to over-heat in a car.

IamaRevenant · 13/07/2024 12:42

I've never had to do this (had a camper when younger, now married and my dog has passed). If I did I'd do as PP suggested and slip a teen a couple of quid to watch her with the promise of a couple more when I came out.

After my sister's dog was stolen after she popped very quickly into a shop there's no way I'd risk it. He was a staffie so we were so scared he'd been taken for foghy bait - thankfully it was a happy ending after several nerve-racking days. I had to use the same shop very occasionally and started paying the lovely homeless guy always sat outside in the same way as suggested - he adored her and she him.

I personally would have no issue with a dog in the toilet, but I can see why some people do and would try to respect that!

Valeriesimpleton · 13/07/2024 12:28

You buy shit, you get shit. Stay in a proper hotel or villa if you don't like sharing a bog.

Katemax82 · 13/07/2024 12:18

2dogsandabudgie · 13/07/2024 08:41

I would rather this than dogs being allowed in cafes.

Agreed. I went to a pizza restaurant in Wales that was sort of open air but not. We were sat at a table next yo a group of people with a dog. I like dogs but my 6 year old is terrified of them

HangingOver · 13/07/2024 12:10

If a doggo poked his head under my cubicle door unexpectedly I'd be like "Omg hiiiiiii"

Calliopespa · 13/07/2024 12:10

Misthios · 13/07/2024 11:51

Didn't take long for the dog-obsessed to start drawing ridiculous comparison with children and people on planes. Humans and animals are not the same, you would have thought that was obvious but clearly not.

What it boils down to is that you have no right to inflict your animal on anyone else. Keep it to yourself. Keep it out of shared, public spaces like bathrooms. It is your JOB and responsibility as an owner to make sure that your animal has no impact on anyone else.

I completely understand an aversion to large aggressive dogs - or even small aggressive ones. I don’t think some should be allowed to be bred/owned, let alone taken in public. But the dogs that get people wound up seem to be the perfectly nice family dogs, and even more particularly the prissy pampered pooch. It’s as if the haters secretly envy the salon visits and being carried about in a basket with everyone saying “ who’s a pretty girl.” 🤔

ButtSurgery · 13/07/2024 12:08

I had to sneak my dog into the loo at the services last summer - it was 36c+ outside, no shade for the car and we were on the way for 7hrs drive to my DB's to care for my DN during a family emergency.

I couldn't leave the dog in the car, the heat would kill her. Tying her up outside a services is liable to get her stolen plus it's still boiling. I couldn't hang on to my pee for the entire journey and I doubt anyone would have been happy if I'd peed behind a road sign....

SummerScarf · 13/07/2024 12:08

K0OLA1D · 13/07/2024 12:07

My dog would let you remove everyone of his teeth before he bit you

Likewise mine. She’d happily trot off with anyone who stroked her, and if she felt threatened she’d roll over and show them her belly. She could be abducted in seconds.

K0OLA1D · 13/07/2024 12:07

MyBirthdayMonth · 13/07/2024 12:02

Why don't the dogs just bite the would-be abductors?

My dog would let you remove everyone of his teeth before he bit you