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To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

OP posts:
Calliopespa · 14/07/2024 11:01

Valeriesimpleton · 14/07/2024 10:30

Camping and campers are joyless. This proves it. I hope she reads this, it would possibly be the only way of anyone laughing while sleeping in a tent sharing a toilet with a load of other joyless tightwads.

Have to admit I was perplexed she was resorting to that stuck-in-bed-ill or avoiding-the-washing-up activity of posting on MN while on her holiday.

Then I remembered she is camping.

Tutorpuzzle · 14/07/2024 10:57

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 10:46

What's joyless about questioning why a dog is in a toilet block?

You’re quite right. But to be reporting on a stranger’s bathroom activities over two days when you’re supposed to be on holiday is a little sad.

I hope your holiday gets better, OP.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 10:46

Tutorpuzzle · 14/07/2024 10:44

What a joyless holiday you’re having OP.

Give yourself half an hour off, have a coffee and take a breather.

And are you absolutely sure the woman you’re stalking doesn’t have a disability that requires her to have her dog with her?

What's joyless about questioning why a dog is in a toilet block?

Tutorpuzzle · 14/07/2024 10:44

What a joyless holiday you’re having OP.

Give yourself half an hour off, have a coffee and take a breather.

And are you absolutely sure the woman you’re stalking doesn’t have a disability that requires her to have her dog with her?

Valeriesimpleton · 14/07/2024 10:30

Camping and campers are joyless. This proves it. I hope she reads this, it would possibly be the only way of anyone laughing while sleeping in a tent sharing a toilet with a load of other joyless tightwads.

Flossflower · 14/07/2024 10:00

OP, if you have seen this twice why haven’t you called the person out on their behaviour or reported it to the site managers?

Parkerpenny · 14/07/2024 09:54

One of the many reasons I hate camping. LoL

LittlePearDrop · 14/07/2024 09:51

If anything she is stalking me! I've been in the toilet block first each time.

Maybe she's one of the batshit owners on here trying to prove a point. The point being that she's an entitled chump 🤣🤣🤣

I love how so many dog owners on here and falling over backwards trying to justify why the rules shouldn't apply to them. Kind of proving the point of everyone else on here who thinks it demonstrates a selfish attitude.

OP posts:
Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:36

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 09:33

What I don't understand is why very reasonable and absolutely not unhinged dog owners think it's ok to totally disregard a "no dogs" sign because they didn't realise their dog wasn't welcome

Or to assume dogs are welcome just because there's no sign saying 'no dogs'. Surely it's obvious dogs aren't welcome in some places without even needing a sign?

Longma · 14/07/2024 09:35

PuttingDownRoots · 13/07/2024 08:53

If you can't leave the dog unattended, you need to find somewhere hour dog is allowed to be.

This.

If somewhere says 'no dogs' then it should be assumed they can't go in, regardless of your personal predicament and unwillingness to leave your dog unattended fastened up.

You need to find somewhere else to go that does allow them.

We've gotten to a ridiculous situation over recent years where some dog owners believe their pet should be allowed everywhere they go and other people should just put up with it.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 09:33

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:26

There are some seriously unhinged people on here and they are not the entitled dog owners.

What I don't understand is why very reasonable and absolutely not unhinged dog owners think it's ok to totally disregard a "no dogs" sign because they didn't realise their dog wasn't welcome

BlueGrackle · 14/07/2024 09:28

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:26

There are some seriously unhinged people on here and they are not the entitled dog owners.

On the basis of what please ? I’d say there been some consistently strange posts from certain dog owners that think that a reasonable instruction doesn’t apply to them.
That comment was aimed at fuzzybritches.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:27

UsualChaos · 14/07/2024 09:04

I would never tie my dog up and leave it unattended. I don't care how ridiculous some people might think that is.

Fair enough but it's even more ridiculous to take it into a toilet/shower block.

BlueGrackle · 14/07/2024 09:26

Valeriesimpleton · 14/07/2024 07:59

Having sounded consistently horrid in your posts, I'm not surprised to read your latest attack on a person who is just getting on with her life and has no idea how angry and bitter she is causing you to be. Go home, you are turning the milk sour.

usernname checks out.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:26

fuzzybritches · 14/07/2024 09:14

There are some seriously unhinged people on here and they are not the dog owners.

There are some seriously unhinged people on here and they are not the entitled dog owners.

fuzzybritches · 14/07/2024 09:14

There are some seriously unhinged people on here and they are not the dog owners.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 09:13

I'm wondering how many entitled dog owners would get cross if someone lit up a cig somewhere they weren't supposed to. Or even of they were allowd in a beer garden, but god forbid they were eating their dinner!

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:09

Valeriesimpleton · 14/07/2024 07:59

Having sounded consistently horrid in your posts, I'm not surprised to read your latest attack on a person who is just getting on with her life and has no idea how angry and bitter she is causing you to be. Go home, you are turning the milk sour.

Why is that an attack any more than someone taking their dog where anyone with common sense wouldn't take it?

UsualChaos · 14/07/2024 09:04

I would never tie my dog up and leave it unattended. I don't care how ridiculous some people might think that is.

FinalCeleryScheme · 14/07/2024 09:04

A snarling XL Bully the other side of a toilet door might help with stubborn bowel movements.

But no, dogs really have no place in toilets, showers, bathrooms or anywhere else that’s communal. If owners can’t leave them - because the country’s overrun with gangs of hound snatchers and dog fighting rings 🙄 - they should stay at home.

I can’t understand why people limit their lives so much by having dogs. But so long as owners don’t inflict them or their mess on anyone else, it’s their call.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 09:01

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 04:05

Dog theft is a HUGE thing, not that you'd know if you don't own a dog, but its big business.

Recognisable pedigrees particularly the popular breeds are stolen to be sold, or bred from.
Certain crossbreeds will also be stolen - lurchers for example for illegal hunting and breeding - poodle mixes for breeding or sales.

Some steal dogs to abuse them, use them as bait dogs and all can be stolen in order to ransome back to the owner.

Its a difficult crime to police, as whilst dogs are property, unlike most property they can also run away by themselves, get lost, bolt in a panic etc. Stolen dogs can be the other end of the country in a matter of a day. Too much pressure on known theives and the dogs just end up dead in a ditch somewhere.

A friends lurcher was stolen - and recovered 3 days later, 600 miles away, having been sold at least twice in that time, and from the state of her, someone had tried to work her as well.

Another friends lurcher nicked from over her garden fence - stolen for breeding we think. He was found dead in a hedge two days later, shot in the head, almost certainly because he was neutered and ear-tattooed.

A lovely lurcher I was thinking about adopting was stolen from the rescue kennels two days before I could take him - planned operation that involved at least three people putting out security cameras, cutting gates with bolt cutters, scoping the rescue out in the days/weeks before hand... not an opportunistic theft!

One of my dogs was snatched from outside a shop, I'd left him with a friend who sold the Big Issue (elderly chap and not capable of running after anyone) so I could go in the shopping centre that didn't allow dogs.

As I was heading to the exit doors, a young lad was running my way with my very panicked dog. I am so lucky he came into the shopping centre at that exact moment and obviously had no clue who I was...

Without thinking, I just grabbed the lead off him and started to yell at him to fuck off and he legged it... or I'd never have seen my dog again.

When I got back to my friend the poor guy was in tears asking everyone if they'd seen the lad, could they look, describing my dog and SO relieved I'd got him. The theif had chatted to him for a bit and then without warning shoved him over, snatched the lead and run off!

Dogs are stolen, daily, and from the nicest of places. Cars are broken into to take dogs, houses are broken into to take dogs. Leaving a dog tied up and unattended is just unthinkable these days for any responsible owner.

But even if it weren't - the owner is liable for whatever the dog does. If someone claims my dog bit them or lunged at them or barked at them and made them stumble and fall, even tied up... I am liable, I risk court, fines, dog control orders or even a destruction order on the dog. A dog without its owner, in public, is automatically 'out of control' because the owner is not present and for a dog to be 'dangerously out of control....' they only need to give someone 'reasonable apprehension of injury', they do not actually HAVE to bite someone!

Kids are a huge risk to tied up dogs, and at risk from them - I have lost track of how many times I've seen kids approach a tied up dog and try to hug it, stroke it, kick it, throw things at it or untie it and let it go. I've seen adults do similar things, I've even seen adults TELL their kids to go up to a strange, unattended dog and fuss or hug it.

So yep, if there are only two options - leave my dog somewhere unsafe, unattended, or take my dog somewhere my dog is not really supposed to be, at the potential minor inconvenience to a small number of people, but no actual risk to anyones safety... I know which I'll pick. That doesn't mean I parade my dogs around places they're not allowed, I plan and avoid having to do so on the whole but sometimes life puts you in a position where you have two crappy options and you have to pick one of them.

That's a lot of words to say you don't think you need to follow rules about where your dog is allowed.

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 09:00

Some of people on here would faint clean away at being asked to mind a dog for two minutes.

Good topic for next week’s dog thread though for whoever’s on the rota to start that.

Misthios · 14/07/2024 08:43

Julyshouldbesunny · 13/07/2024 23:19

Hi fellow camper. Can you hold my pooch while I pee?
Cheers mate.
Off you go about your day.

It's not even that - it's "hello fellow camper, i'm going to leave Dog tied up here for 2 secs, can you just keep an eye on it"?

But they don't think to do that because nobody could ever object to THEIR dog, their furbaby, the bestest boy/girl in the world. Everyone should be equally besotted.

And besides, it would mean having to talk to strangers and a large % of MN seems to have huge issues with that.

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 08:23

Cockerpoo in the loo if you’re glamping.

KimberleyClark · 14/07/2024 08:22

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 13/07/2024 09:01

Fine in unisex toilets, but a male dog in a female toilet? 😱

It identified as a transbitch probably!