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To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

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Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 15:35

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:24

Still no tbf, too precious!

He's still not allowed in an area that says no dogs.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 15:34

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/07/2024 15:27

Reading some of the posts on here from the dog hating frothers there's no way I'd put in any effort with them. I can't imagine having to associate with them let alone try and be friends

Why does expecting dog owners to follow rules make someone a frother exactly?

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 15:33

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:18

My dog was 1500 quid and is a dought after breed high in thefts. Am I fuck leaving him outside for your benefit.

You spending s silly amount on a dog doesn't give you a right to enter dog free zones.

adorablecat · 14/07/2024 15:32

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 04:05

Dog theft is a HUGE thing, not that you'd know if you don't own a dog, but its big business.

Recognisable pedigrees particularly the popular breeds are stolen to be sold, or bred from.
Certain crossbreeds will also be stolen - lurchers for example for illegal hunting and breeding - poodle mixes for breeding or sales.

Some steal dogs to abuse them, use them as bait dogs and all can be stolen in order to ransome back to the owner.

Its a difficult crime to police, as whilst dogs are property, unlike most property they can also run away by themselves, get lost, bolt in a panic etc. Stolen dogs can be the other end of the country in a matter of a day. Too much pressure on known theives and the dogs just end up dead in a ditch somewhere.

A friends lurcher was stolen - and recovered 3 days later, 600 miles away, having been sold at least twice in that time, and from the state of her, someone had tried to work her as well.

Another friends lurcher nicked from over her garden fence - stolen for breeding we think. He was found dead in a hedge two days later, shot in the head, almost certainly because he was neutered and ear-tattooed.

A lovely lurcher I was thinking about adopting was stolen from the rescue kennels two days before I could take him - planned operation that involved at least three people putting out security cameras, cutting gates with bolt cutters, scoping the rescue out in the days/weeks before hand... not an opportunistic theft!

One of my dogs was snatched from outside a shop, I'd left him with a friend who sold the Big Issue (elderly chap and not capable of running after anyone) so I could go in the shopping centre that didn't allow dogs.

As I was heading to the exit doors, a young lad was running my way with my very panicked dog. I am so lucky he came into the shopping centre at that exact moment and obviously had no clue who I was...

Without thinking, I just grabbed the lead off him and started to yell at him to fuck off and he legged it... or I'd never have seen my dog again.

When I got back to my friend the poor guy was in tears asking everyone if they'd seen the lad, could they look, describing my dog and SO relieved I'd got him. The theif had chatted to him for a bit and then without warning shoved him over, snatched the lead and run off!

Dogs are stolen, daily, and from the nicest of places. Cars are broken into to take dogs, houses are broken into to take dogs. Leaving a dog tied up and unattended is just unthinkable these days for any responsible owner.

But even if it weren't - the owner is liable for whatever the dog does. If someone claims my dog bit them or lunged at them or barked at them and made them stumble and fall, even tied up... I am liable, I risk court, fines, dog control orders or even a destruction order on the dog. A dog without its owner, in public, is automatically 'out of control' because the owner is not present and for a dog to be 'dangerously out of control....' they only need to give someone 'reasonable apprehension of injury', they do not actually HAVE to bite someone!

Kids are a huge risk to tied up dogs, and at risk from them - I have lost track of how many times I've seen kids approach a tied up dog and try to hug it, stroke it, kick it, throw things at it or untie it and let it go. I've seen adults do similar things, I've even seen adults TELL their kids to go up to a strange, unattended dog and fuss or hug it.

So yep, if there are only two options - leave my dog somewhere unsafe, unattended, or take my dog somewhere my dog is not really supposed to be, at the potential minor inconvenience to a small number of people, but no actual risk to anyones safety... I know which I'll pick. That doesn't mean I parade my dogs around places they're not allowed, I plan and avoid having to do so on the whole but sometimes life puts you in a position where you have two crappy options and you have to pick one of them.

There is a third option: pick a dog which can be left alone at home for a few hours.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 15:29

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:18

My dog was 1500 quid and is a dought after breed high in thefts. Am I fuck leaving him outside for your benefit.

That's nice.

If there is a sign that says "no dogs" do you ignore it?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/07/2024 15:27

ImNotReallySpartacus · 13/07/2024 11:54

I don't think they are all inadequate. Some are just plain lazy, could put in the work with the human relationships but don't want to.

Reading some of the posts on here from the dog hating frothers there's no way I'd put in any effort with them. I can't imagine having to associate with them let alone try and be friends

MyBirthdayMonth · 14/07/2024 15:25

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:36

Or to assume dogs are welcome just because there's no sign saying 'no dogs'. Surely it's obvious dogs aren't welcome in some places without even needing a sign?

You'd think so, but dog people are not always the greatest at spotting the Bleeding Obvious.

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:24

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Still no tbf, too precious!

Especiallymoist · 14/07/2024 15:22

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PuttingDownRoots · 14/07/2024 15:21

Its quite common not be be able to take them into the shop, or showers, or the bar (but allowed in the beer garden). Surely you do need a plan for this?

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:18

My dog was 1500 quid and is a dought after breed high in thefts. Am I fuck leaving him outside for your benefit.

lemonmeringueno3 · 14/07/2024 14:50

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 14:18

You know, you could, if you come across a dog in the toilet and you are unhappy about this for any reason, just say something?

'Hi, I have a bit of a dog phobia/allergy/deep seated hatred of canines, could you remove your dog/stop him sticking his nose under the partition...'

And there is a chance this could resolve the situation and it's much more likely to do so than coming to Mumsnet to froth about how campsite toilets are now over-run by out of control dogs.

OP did say something

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 14:20

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 14:18

You know, you could, if you come across a dog in the toilet and you are unhappy about this for any reason, just say something?

'Hi, I have a bit of a dog phobia/allergy/deep seated hatred of canines, could you remove your dog/stop him sticking his nose under the partition...'

And there is a chance this could resolve the situation and it's much more likely to do so than coming to Mumsnet to froth about how campsite toilets are now over-run by out of control dogs.

That's a nice idea in theory but given some of the responses to this thread I'm sure you would get a rather long lecture about why it's ok for their dog to be in there.

If the sign says no dogs, it means no dogs.

Just like if it says no children, no smoking, no whatever.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 14:19

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 14:18

You know, you could, if you come across a dog in the toilet and you are unhappy about this for any reason, just say something?

'Hi, I have a bit of a dog phobia/allergy/deep seated hatred of canines, could you remove your dog/stop him sticking his nose under the partition...'

And there is a chance this could resolve the situation and it's much more likely to do so than coming to Mumsnet to froth about how campsite toilets are now over-run by out of control dogs.

You know, people could, if they see a 'no dogs' sign, just not take a dog into the toilet to start with?

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 14:18

You know, you could, if you come across a dog in the toilet and you are unhappy about this for any reason, just say something?

'Hi, I have a bit of a dog phobia/allergy/deep seated hatred of canines, could you remove your dog/stop him sticking his nose under the partition...'

And there is a chance this could resolve the situation and it's much more likely to do so than coming to Mumsnet to froth about how campsite toilets are now over-run by out of control dogs.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 14:15

@lemonmeringueno3 those of us without dogs/wary of dogs/allergic to dogs absolutely appreciate considerate dog owners like you, we support dog friendly places for you and appreciate you respecting boundaries.

lemonmeringueno3 · 14/07/2024 14:09

I think the 'no dogs' signs are put up for a good reason and dog-owners should comply even if they don't know what the reason is or don't agree with it.

If you don't have anyone to look after your dog, and you know it can't be left alone, then choose a campsite that allows dogs into every space even toilets. Ring ahead to check.

I have two dogs and love them but don't expect everyone else to feel the same.

What next, six people in the toilet and each one has a couple of dogs with them?

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 14:06

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 14:03

I notice you conveniently ignored the mentally unwell comment from the list. Perhaps because it was completely uncalled for and unpleasant.

No, I just couldnt remember off the top of my head and cba to scroll through.

If you'd like to quote the post and add the context that would be great!

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 14:03

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 13:37

Selfish and entitled yes.

The stalker comment was a response to another poster who claimed she was stalking the entitled dog owner.

You need to read the thread before attempting to summarise, otherwise it makes you look a bit silly.

I notice you conveniently ignored the mentally unwell comment from the list. Perhaps because it was completely uncalled for and unpleasant.

sprigatito · 14/07/2024 13:59

It's also quite hypocritical (and emblematic of the selfish attitude of this type of dog owner) that posters are leaning heavily on the fact that it's a dog-friendly site while blithely proclaiming that they would disregard the toilets' no dog signs. You can't have it both ways. You either respect the rules of the site or you don't.

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Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 13:53

henlake7 · 14/07/2024 13:42

Allowed or not if I didnt have anywhere safe to leave my dog Id take it into the toilet with me. Thing is I actually care about my dog....I dont care about some random stranger I will never see again, so dog wins every time.

I mean if a dog in the stall next to you is so offensive I can always just pee al fresco with him.....maybe behind your tent!?😆

Ah, and you wonder why people don't like dog owners.

Threatening to pee outside of someone's tent because your dog isnt allowed in the toilet is disgusting.

If the sign says no dogs, it means no dogs.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 13:52

henlake7 · 14/07/2024 13:42

Allowed or not if I didnt have anywhere safe to leave my dog Id take it into the toilet with me. Thing is I actually care about my dog....I dont care about some random stranger I will never see again, so dog wins every time.

I mean if a dog in the stall next to you is so offensive I can always just pee al fresco with him.....maybe behind your tent!?😆

This sums up exactly the problem with entitled dog owners. Your dog does not trump a human, even if you will never see that human ever again.
Imagine if cat owners acted like dog owners.

henlake7 · 14/07/2024 13:42

Allowed or not if I didnt have anywhere safe to leave my dog Id take it into the toilet with me. Thing is I actually care about my dog....I dont care about some random stranger I will never see again, so dog wins every time.

I mean if a dog in the stall next to you is so offensive I can always just pee al fresco with him.....maybe behind your tent!?😆

sprigatito · 14/07/2024 13:39

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 13:33

So now the lady is entitled, selfish, mentally unwell and a stalker according to OP all for bringing her dog into a toilet block with her whilst at a dog friendly camp site….

There were signs up saying not to take dogs into the toilet, did you miss that? Of course she shouldn't have taken her dog in there, and she knew full well that it wasn't allowed.