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To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

OP posts:
LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:23

A woman caught on the hop who risked taking her dog with her for a quick wee at an otherwise dog friendly campsite is nothing like taking a toddler to a nightclub 🤣

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:22

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 17:09

Many posters have already explained it’s because the need to keep their dog safe out weighs a sign that doesn’t actually have a logical reason behind it.

If you were on your own and the sign for a public toilet said “no children” would you leave your small child outside alone just to obey the sign?

The sign does have logical reason though. Dogs should not be in public/campsite shared toilet facilities.

sarahd29 · 14/07/2024 18:22

I have a dog, in fact I've got 4. When we camp we take two. If neither of us could have stayed with them then we'd have popped them in the car we came in and left the window open whilst we used the shower/loo.

No one least of all me wants a dog sniffing round the loo.

K0OLA1D · 14/07/2024 18:22

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:20

Not liking dogs doesn't make someone hateful.

No, but trying to dictate what other business owners allow in their own establishments take the not liking dogs a bit far.

Labourdayz · 14/07/2024 18:20

Been in this situation (injured rescue dog, can be reactive and prey driven, ie can easily bolt/escape). I really had no other option.
However I have witnessed kids smashing the mirror in a campsite, because unattended. In comparison, taking a dog in for a few mins (assuming well behaved) is no big deal?
If it’s not hot and you are allowed cars on-site, that would be my initial preference though!

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:20

Valeriesimpleton · 14/07/2024 16:23

Bloody well said! There are some truly hateful people around.

Not liking dogs doesn't make someone hateful.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 18:20

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 18:13

'The vast majority of parents wouldn't bring their children somewhere they weren't allowed to be'...

So all the 'I was in the womens changing rooms and there was a 9/10/11 year old boy in there'... 'I was in the ladies toilets and there was a man with his daughter in there'.. are pure invention eh? Parents would NEVER....

No. That's people breaking rules because they feel they have a good reason for doing so.

I assume you are responding to me.

Children are different from animals. They aren't the same even if you think your dog is your baby. It isn't I'm afraid.

In your examples it would depend on the rules- no children under 12 in the same-sex changing room then yes, a 16 year old going in would be wrong.

A dad taking his daughter into the toilets depends on the circumstances surely? Did he ask? What was the problem with the men's loo? There's nuances to situations where humans are involved.

An entitled dog owner deciding to ignore a "no dogs allowed " sign is the same as an entitled parent bringing their child to a nightclub.

Serendipity12 · 14/07/2024 18:19

I should imagine the owner was trying to be responsible. After all, there is far more likely to be an issue if dogs are unattended and sometimes as a (responsible) dog owner it feels like you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I frankly don’t see this as a huge deal. If you’re camping in the countryside you might even find there are (gasp) other even larger animals about as well!!! And unattended at that!

MadKittenWoman · 14/07/2024 18:15

I don't like dogs. I would never see one harmed, but I don't want to see them in shops and restaurants. They are everywhere now, pissing, shitting, and sniffing and licking. I don't mind so much if the owner is being attentive, but why am I supposed to put up with some random dog running over scaring me or licking my legs in a shop because their owner thinks it's cute?

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 18:13

'The vast majority of parents wouldn't bring their children somewhere they weren't allowed to be'...

So all the 'I was in the womens changing rooms and there was a 9/10/11 year old boy in there'... 'I was in the ladies toilets and there was a man with his daughter in there'.. are pure invention eh? Parents would NEVER....

No. That's people breaking rules because they feel they have a good reason for doing so.

Bellsandthistle · 14/07/2024 18:10

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 17:09

Many posters have already explained it’s because the need to keep their dog safe out weighs a sign that doesn’t actually have a logical reason behind it.

If you were on your own and the sign for a public toilet said “no children” would you leave your small child outside alone just to obey the sign?

“A sign that doesn’t actually have a logical reason behind it”
Seriously? You think they just put up the sign for fun?
Even if you do not agree with the reasons behind it, you are not entitled to ignore it.

Porridgeislife · 14/07/2024 18:10

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 17:09

Many posters have already explained it’s because the need to keep their dog safe out weighs a sign that doesn’t actually have a logical reason behind it.

If you were on your own and the sign for a public toilet said “no children” would you leave your small child outside alone just to obey the sign?

There are loads of places my toddler isn’t welcome, whether because their licence doesn’t allow it or it’s just not socially acceptable (eg fancy restaurants or the theatre). I pay someone to look after them when that’s the case.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 18:08

spottedinthewild · 14/07/2024 18:00

"Just tie it up outside" said no dog owner ever. How about tying your child up outside? The point is it's not safe to do this, for a dog or a child, in our society anymore.

YABU OP, if I was camping I'd fully expect to see dogs about, even in the toilets. If it was a 5 star hotel or resturant I might be on your side.

The vast majority of parents wouldn't bring their children somewhere they weren't allowed to be. You would get a babysitter etc.

The sign on the campsite loo said "no dogs". To ignore it makes you entitled even if you "expect to see them"

AbraAbraCadabra · 14/07/2024 18:02

PuttingDownRoots · 13/07/2024 08:53

If you can't leave the dog unattended, you need to find somewhere hour dog is allowed to be.

This. You don’t just take your dog in regardless.

spottedinthewild · 14/07/2024 18:00

"Just tie it up outside" said no dog owner ever. How about tying your child up outside? The point is it's not safe to do this, for a dog or a child, in our society anymore.

YABU OP, if I was camping I'd fully expect to see dogs about, even in the toilets. If it was a 5 star hotel or resturant I might be on your side.

Anon39 · 14/07/2024 17:59

My son is highly allergic to fur animals and the amount of time people take it personally when I say don’t bring your dog by my child is ridiculous. Everywhere is dog friendly now even trying to book a holiday where they haven’t allowed animals to stay is so difficult.

At our last camp (and never went camping again) my son was hospitalised with an allergic reaction SATS at 93% it was terrifying I’m really over this treating dogs like humans and allowing them everywhere.

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 17:57

I’d rather people treat a dog like a toddler than a suitcase.

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 17:56

FinalCeleryScheme · 14/07/2024 16:22

Just gonna leave this here…

You cannot insist on proof that an assistance dog is an assistance dog. Thats illegal. If the dog does tasks that assist someone with aspects of their disability, then it is an assistance dog.

If the dog is not under control however, the dog and handler can be asked to leave regardless of it being an assistance dog.

FinalCeleryScheme · 14/07/2024 17:53

Depends. Where I grew up in the ‘70s very few people had a dog. And dogs weren’t treated like toddlers.

Ponoka7 · 14/07/2024 17:36

Porridgeislife · 14/07/2024 12:46

Camping has always been a family holiday, what are you on about.

It’s only recently that dogs need to be in every public space, preferably off lead according to their owners.

Dogs used to roam our streets when I was a child in the 70's. But camping was a family holiday, but that included the dog, because practically everyone had one. All if the rural pubs and places that have camp sites have always allowed dogs in pubs.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 17:24

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 17:09

Many posters have already explained it’s because the need to keep their dog safe out weighs a sign that doesn’t actually have a logical reason behind it.

If you were on your own and the sign for a public toilet said “no children” would you leave your small child outside alone just to obey the sign?

No I wouldn't bring my children to a nightclub or somewhere dedicated to over 18s/ if it specifies "no under 3's" like I have responded to you before.

If there is a sign on a toilet that said "no children" I'd bring it up with whoever owns it for discrimination but no, I wouldn't use that toilet either because I don't want to leave my kids unattended.

The same applies to dogs. If it says no dogs then that means no dogs. I have absolutely no idea why you think that doesn't apply to yours.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 17:22

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/07/2024 16:40

I’m not saying it’s ok to ignore it but I can see why people would when there’s so much hatred towards dogs, even the well behaved one. I’m saying the amount of hate from the dog haters is ridiculous. Someone even suggested it doesn’t matter if a dog is stolen as that’s what insurance is for. I’m not sure whether they are goady or just thick!

Maybe part of the fault lies with the campsites, they should make it clear that even though the site is dog friendly, dogs can’t go everywhere.

BTW I don’t have a dog and I would rather stick pins in my eyes than go camping so am not guilty of taking a dog where I shouldn’t!

I haven't experienced any hatred of dogs in real life, have you? Most people just smile and/pet them I thought but I agree with you, some of the responses have been a bit 😵‍💫

I would imagine most people (me included) don't like dog owners who think their dog can go anywhere regardless of whether dogs are actually welcome.

It doesn't matter if there is a million reasons why you should be able to bring the dog, if there is something in place to say "no dogs" then there is no justification to bring it.

babybirdsmomma · 14/07/2024 17:21

Julyshouldbesunny · 13/07/2024 08:56

It really wasn't trying to see ya minge....

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Valeriesimpleton · 14/07/2024 17:19

Cuppapuppa · 14/07/2024 16:53

These dog threads are really not a good PR move for MNs! Brings out the crazies 😆😆😆

The harpies on here reduce me to behaving like a 5 year old. Such uptightness makes me want to shout but at the top of my voice

PuttingDownRoots · 14/07/2024 17:15

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 17:09

Many posters have already explained it’s because the need to keep their dog safe out weighs a sign that doesn’t actually have a logical reason behind it.

If you were on your own and the sign for a public toilet said “no children” would you leave your small child outside alone just to obey the sign?

There's loads of places you can't take children... so parents either don't go or get babysitters.