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To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

OP posts:
Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 19:03

K0OLA1D · 14/07/2024 18:58

I know what the main issue is. And I am fully behind it. But then you get the posters saying dogs shouldn't be allowed here or there or wherever. It's up to the owners of the places. Don't like it, don't go.

It's just the expectation that dogs should be allowed everywhere. It's also concerning that so many dogs apparently have 'separation anxiety' these days - I get that some dogs have issues, often due to past experience, but that doesn't explain it all. Dogs can mostly be trained to spend time alone/at home/in a car etc, as long as they get plenty of exercise etc.

K0OLA1D · 14/07/2024 18:58

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:31

I'd rather they weren't allowed in cafes, partly because of some awful owners, but the main issue on this thread is actually about ignoring 'no dogs' signs.

I know what the main issue is. And I am fully behind it. But then you get the posters saying dogs shouldn't be allowed here or there or wherever. It's up to the owners of the places. Don't like it, don't go.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:58

Serendipity12 · 14/07/2024 18:41

Ah so having it tied up possibly barking at people passing due to anxiety, or running about unsupervised or shut in a car would be preferable? Because I can imagine the kind of posts that we would be seeing about those scenarios! The owner had a need to be responsible and took the dog with her. Dog may have a need through separation anxiety or being a breed likely to be stolen? You don’t get to define need unilaterally.

The thing is a dog should cope perfectly with being tied up for a short while or being left in a vehicle (with open window) or being left with someone else (if travelling with others) - why are so many dogs suddenly getting separation anxiety and barking for no reason? I get that some dogs are reactive for various reasons, but that's more reason not to take them into small spaces with other people.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:54

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 18:40

Yeah I don’t take my dog in fancy restaurants they aren’t allowed or the theatre either.

We are talking about a public loo in a dog friendly campsite.

....where it says 'no dogs'.

happyhemsby · 14/07/2024 18:51

I just don't get this level of selfishness from the nutjob dog owners of today. If the toilets say no dogs why do these people think it's ok to go against it. It's a dog ffs people need to differentiate the difference between an animal and a child. Your dog is not a child it is a dog and needs to be either tied up outside or left in a crate while you go do things. Jesus the mind absolutely boggles and this level of humanising a dog!

Serendipity12 · 14/07/2024 18:41

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:32

Dogs don't need to be in toilets.

Ah so having it tied up possibly barking at people passing due to anxiety, or running about unsupervised or shut in a car would be preferable? Because I can imagine the kind of posts that we would be seeing about those scenarios! The owner had a need to be responsible and took the dog with her. Dog may have a need through separation anxiety or being a breed likely to be stolen? You don’t get to define need unilaterally.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 18:41

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 18:38

But we’re not talking about a nightclub. I wouldn’t take my dog to a nightclub and expect to able to come in or use their toilet.

We are talking about a public loo in a dog friendly campsite.

I wouldn't use that toilet either because I don't want to leave my kids unattended.

So what would you do in that situation if you were desperate for the loo and didn’t have time to find the owners to complain/take your child back to the tent? Piss yourself? Or perhaps just nip in the toilet taking your child in the cubicle with you because it’s not the end of the bloody world.

Yes, we've established you think you are above rules because you don't agree with them.

Can you show me an example of no children being allowed in the toilet please? I'm not playing silly "so what if" games with you if they aren't an actual thing

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 18:40

Porridgeislife · 14/07/2024 18:10

There are loads of places my toddler isn’t welcome, whether because their licence doesn’t allow it or it’s just not socially acceptable (eg fancy restaurants or the theatre). I pay someone to look after them when that’s the case.

Yeah I don’t take my dog in fancy restaurants they aren’t allowed or the theatre either.

We are talking about a public loo in a dog friendly campsite.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 18:39

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:34

The woman needed a wee. Not the dog. The woman surely is the same as a child?

I can't work out if you are on the windup or not so I'm going to take you at face value.

There is a sign that says "no dogs"

That means, no dogs are allowed in the toilets.

The woman can leave the dog with family, put it in the car or any other of the many, many suggestions given in this thread.

If it says no dogs, that means no dogs.

If the sign said "no children"

That means no children are allowed.

If the sign says "no under 3's"

That means children under the age of 3 are not allowed

If the sign says "no smoking"

That means, no smoking is allowed

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 18:39

Presumably piss themselves, its the obvious solution all round.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:39

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:34

The woman needed a wee. Not the dog. The woman surely is the same as a child?

The woman needed to be there.
The dog didn't.

PixieLaLar · 14/07/2024 18:38

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 17:24

No I wouldn't bring my children to a nightclub or somewhere dedicated to over 18s/ if it specifies "no under 3's" like I have responded to you before.

If there is a sign on a toilet that said "no children" I'd bring it up with whoever owns it for discrimination but no, I wouldn't use that toilet either because I don't want to leave my kids unattended.

The same applies to dogs. If it says no dogs then that means no dogs. I have absolutely no idea why you think that doesn't apply to yours.

But we’re not talking about a nightclub. I wouldn’t take my dog to a nightclub and expect to able to come in or use their toilet.

We are talking about a public loo in a dog friendly campsite.

I wouldn't use that toilet either because I don't want to leave my kids unattended.

So what would you do in that situation if you were desperate for the loo and didn’t have time to find the owners to complain/take your child back to the tent? Piss yourself? Or perhaps just nip in the toilet taking your child in the cubicle with you because it’s not the end of the bloody world.

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:34

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 18:31

Why does she need to ask? The sign is clear.

And because dogs aren't the same as children.

The woman needed a wee. Not the dog. The woman surely is the same as a child?

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:32

Serendipity12 · 14/07/2024 18:29

Just to be clear, as humans there are FAR more diseases we can catch from other humans than diseases that we can catch from dogs (zoonoses). Campsite toilets are often a bit grim for reasons that have nothing to do with dogs. 😁 Genuinely wondering what the assumed logical reason is, if the alternative is an unsupervised dog?

Dogs don't need to be in toilets.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:31

K0OLA1D · 14/07/2024 18:28

No? There are definitely posters on here saying dogs shouldn't be allowed in cafes and pubs. Have another read through the comments.

I'd rather they weren't allowed in cafes, partly because of some awful owners, but the main issue on this thread is actually about ignoring 'no dogs' signs.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 18:31

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:24

Do we know the woman didn’t asked the campsite owners? How come circumstances and nuances only count for humans that don’t have a dog with them.

Why does she need to ask? The sign is clear.

And because dogs aren't the same as children.

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:30

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:27

Why would she feel entitled enough to ask when it clearly states 'no dogs'?

A dad taking his daughter into the toilets depends on the circumstances surely? Did he ask? What was the problem with the men's loo? There's nuances to situations where humans are involved.

Because of this hypothetical situation which apparently is ok.

Serendipity12 · 14/07/2024 18:29

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:22

The sign does have logical reason though. Dogs should not be in public/campsite shared toilet facilities.

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Just to be clear, as humans there are FAR more diseases we can catch from other humans than diseases that we can catch from dogs (zoonoses). Campsite toilets are often a bit grim for reasons that have nothing to do with dogs. 😁 Genuinely wondering what the assumed logical reason is, if the alternative is an unsupervised dog?

K0OLA1D · 14/07/2024 18:28

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:26

Nobody is doing that.
We're simply saying 'no dogs' signs must be respected.

No? There are definitely posters on here saying dogs shouldn't be allowed in cafes and pubs. Have another read through the comments.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:27

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:24

Do we know the woman didn’t asked the campsite owners? How come circumstances and nuances only count for humans that don’t have a dog with them.

Why would she feel entitled enough to ask when it clearly states 'no dogs'?

Cuppapuppa · 14/07/2024 18:27

Do we know the woman didn’t asked the campsite owners? How come circumstances and nuances only count for humans that don’t have a dog with them.

The twisting in knots is hilarious 😆

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 18:26

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:23

A woman caught on the hop who risked taking her dog with her for a quick wee at an otherwise dog friendly campsite is nothing like taking a toddler to a nightclub 🤣

The dog isn't allowed in the toilet. The reason is irrelevant.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 18:26

K0OLA1D · 14/07/2024 18:22

No, but trying to dictate what other business owners allow in their own establishments take the not liking dogs a bit far.

Nobody is doing that.
We're simply saying 'no dogs' signs must be respected.

Cuppapuppa · 14/07/2024 18:25

We camp annually, have done as a dc too. Dogs have come with us and I don’t think I’ve ever been to a campsite that didn’t have a dog somewhere. However I’ve never seen a dog in the toilet!

LilBowWow · 14/07/2024 18:24

Do we know the woman didn’t asked the campsite owners? How come circumstances and nuances only count for humans that don’t have a dog with them.