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To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

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Moglet4 · 16/07/2024 21:34

BlueGrackle · 13/07/2024 14:20

What about people that are scared of dogs, or are allergic, what do they do ? Piss in the bushes, is that a good enough reason for you ?

Exactly! I’m frightened of dogs, as are my children (so in the case of a campsite I admittedly wouldn’t be on a dog friendly one to start off with), I am also allergic AND I don’t want to come out of a cubicle to find a dog sniffing my crotch! The entitlement of some owners on this thread is astounding. They don’t see a problem with it therefore there mustn’t be a problem 🙄

Calliopespa · 16/07/2024 19:55

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:39

Yet you have happily engaged throughout!

Indeed I have! Love a group of grumpy phenomena!

HighHeelsOnCobblestones · 16/07/2024 18:40

fliptopbin · 16/07/2024 18:22

So in your mind,someone booking a self proclaimed "dog friendly" campsite should not assume that is in fact dog friendly, but should present the site with a list of every possible scenario and ask whether dogs are allowed there?
Or maybe campsites should not advertise as dog friendly if they aren't.

It’s not in my mind. It’s reality, dog friendly doesn’t mean it’s a free for all. There’s usually some rules. Two local nature reserves have dog friendly cafes and dogs are allowed in most parts of the site. But if you want to walk around the nature reserve, you’d have to leave your dog at home. They’re not allowed, not even on leads. Check before you go. And no need to present the campsite with a list, they’ve usually made a list of their own rules to easily find on their website.

FinalCeleryScheme · 16/07/2024 18:34

fliptopbin · 16/07/2024 18:22

So in your mind,someone booking a self proclaimed "dog friendly" campsite should not assume that is in fact dog friendly, but should present the site with a list of every possible scenario and ask whether dogs are allowed there?
Or maybe campsites should not advertise as dog friendly if they aren't.

Oh FFS, not again. A ‘dog friendly’ place might mean many things. A dog friendly cafe is unlikely to welcome owners who allow dogs to fight, bark or shit on the floor or to permit owners to take dogs in the toilets, for god’s sake.

fliptopbin · 16/07/2024 18:22

HighHeelsOnCobblestones · 16/07/2024 18:00

If she were a solo camper, which I believe from other replies she is not, she should have checked before booking her holiday and booked a site that met her requirements.

Dog owners on here often say that dog friendly cafes/pubs/shops/etc have decided it’s best for their customers and their business if they allow dogs inside. That it’s up to the business owner; their business, their rules.And that’s fine, if that’s what the businesses want to do. It doesn’t meet our needs though and therefore we go somewhere else or, if alternatives can’t be found, we don’t go at all. You’d be up in arms if I marched into a dog friendly cafe and attempted to turf the dog owners out because that’s what suits me.

This works both ways and it seems some dog owners don’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot. This campsite, as do many others, (after a decade of twice yearly camping when I was younger, in my experience this is not a new thing at all) have decided dogs are not allowed in the toilets/showers. They’ve decided it’s best for their customers and their business if they don’t allow dogs inside. That’s up to the business owner, it’s their property, their business, their rules. Rules which are usually easily found on the website. If they don’t meet someone’s needs they should be booking somewhere else, not marching in with their dog anyway because that’s what suits them.

So in your mind,someone booking a self proclaimed "dog friendly" campsite should not assume that is in fact dog friendly, but should present the site with a list of every possible scenario and ask whether dogs are allowed there?
Or maybe campsites should not advertise as dog friendly if they aren't.

HighHeelsOnCobblestones · 16/07/2024 18:00

LilBowWow · 16/07/2024 17:35

You’re all banging on about how important humans are yet you’d try and deny a woman a chance to go to the loo. Makes no sense to me. Piss yourself lady, the sign says no dogs.

If she were a solo camper, which I believe from other replies she is not, she should have checked before booking her holiday and booked a site that met her requirements.

Dog owners on here often say that dog friendly cafes/pubs/shops/etc have decided it’s best for their customers and their business if they allow dogs inside. That it’s up to the business owner; their business, their rules.And that’s fine, if that’s what the businesses want to do. It doesn’t meet our needs though and therefore we go somewhere else or, if alternatives can’t be found, we don’t go at all. You’d be up in arms if I marched into a dog friendly cafe and attempted to turf the dog owners out because that’s what suits me.

This works both ways and it seems some dog owners don’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot. This campsite, as do many others, (after a decade of twice yearly camping when I was younger, in my experience this is not a new thing at all) have decided dogs are not allowed in the toilets/showers. They’ve decided it’s best for their customers and their business if they don’t allow dogs inside. That’s up to the business owner, it’s their property, their business, their rules. Rules which are usually easily found on the website. If they don’t meet someone’s needs they should be booking somewhere else, not marching in with their dog anyway because that’s what suits them.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/07/2024 17:58

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:53

That is because dog lovers tend to encounter other dog lovers in real life. They don’t notice the people who are moving away and who dislike dogs pawing at their belongings, nuzzling at their bags etc.

I do not hate dogs as it is not their fault. I very much dislike dog owners who don’t control them.

I detest dogs in small cafes. I hate it. Disgusting and ruins my experience. I have never complained or said anything to anyone as they are allowed in there. So you would probably think I had no issue with it ‘in real life’.

I wouldn't class myself as a dog lover, I'm more of a cat person.

To be fair I've never been bothered by a dog in a cafe, I actually sat in the dog friendly area last week as it was quieter. The only time I've been annoyed in a cafe is by kids who think I'm interested in them, not dogs who I would happily fuss!

I am currently calling the yapping dog somewhere in my street all sorts of names although I know it's the owners who are the problem 🙄

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:53

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/07/2024 17:50

Of course not, but there's a difference between disliking dogs and the hatred some people show. Not that I've ever come across it in real life, only from the keyboard warriors of MN.

That is because dog lovers tend to encounter other dog lovers in real life. They don’t notice the people who are moving away and who dislike dogs pawing at their belongings, nuzzling at their bags etc.

I do not hate dogs as it is not their fault. I very much dislike dog owners who don’t control them.

I detest dogs in small cafes. I hate it. Disgusting and ruins my experience. I have never complained or said anything to anyone as they are allowed in there. So you would probably think I had no issue with it ‘in real life’.

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:51

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/07/2024 17:48

Perhaps they were making the point that the dog is valuable and therefore more attractive to thieves?

That certainly wasn’t the tone. It was ‘I paid £1500 for that dog. No way am I leaving it (and losing my cash).’ They will probably deny it though.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/07/2024 17:50

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 16:42

Do you expect people who dislike dogs in indoor public spaces, not to contribute to a thread about dogs in toilets? What a strange little comment about a klaxon.

Of course not, but there's a difference between disliking dogs and the hatred some people show. Not that I've ever come across it in real life, only from the keyboard warriors of MN.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/07/2024 17:48

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 16:41

In that case, surely the price of someone’s dog is irrelevant. Posters quoting how much they spent on their dog and thus wouldn’t leave it unattended, clearly do care about their lost financial investment.

Perhaps they were making the point that the dog is valuable and therefore more attractive to thieves?

LilBowWow · 16/07/2024 17:42

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:41

What are you on about?

🤣

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:41

LilBowWow · 16/07/2024 17:35

You’re all banging on about how important humans are yet you’d try and deny a woman a chance to go to the loo. Makes no sense to me. Piss yourself lady, the sign says no dogs.

What are you on about?

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:39

Calliopespa · 16/07/2024 15:26

Well someone above said the dog wasn’t trying to look at op’s minge - which was frankly the high point of an otherwise niggling, fractious, miserable, unpleasant and totally unnecessary thread.

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Yet you have happily engaged throughout!

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:37

Flossflower · 15/07/2024 17:21

I do feel some sympathy towards you and you have learned from your mistake but in my park most of the areas are dog areas. You should be free to set up a picnic where you want it. My picnics contain things that could be lethal to a dog.

I wouldn’t put it past some dog-owners to sue others if their dog snaffled something dangerous from a picnic!

LilBowWow · 16/07/2024 17:35

You’re all banging on about how important humans are yet you’d try and deny a woman a chance to go to the loo. Makes no sense to me. Piss yourself lady, the sign says no dogs.

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:29

AlwaysGinPlease · 14/07/2024 22:48

Go in a different type of holiday then. Boring bloody anti dog threads 😴

I think you post this on every dog thread.

Why not ignore them if they make you so bored and upset?!

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:28

Dynamitepussycat · 14/07/2024 22:43

This. I am a dog owner but since lock down the dog situation is just nuts. People humanising them and not really knowing the first thing about them. The dog will be fine tied up outside a toilet block for a couple minutes. Not everyone wants wants other peoples stinky dogs invading their space!

these threads are actually quite good because it reminds me that there are decent dog owners like you around. Thank you.

Moglet4 · 16/07/2024 17:28

Unfortunately, a lot of dog owners are inordinately selfish (as evidenced by some of the posters on this thread declaring they don’t give a damn what anyone else thinks, they’ll just do what they like). If there is an explicit sign saying No Dogs then there should be no dogs. It’s the same on the beach. There are literally tens of miles of unbroken sand where dogs are allowed but the one section where dogs are not allowed always has them on it. Pure selfishness.

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 17:24

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 22:05

Dogs aren't more important than humans.
Respect signs.

The problem now is that there is a large contingent of people who think dogs are more important than humans. They truly do. So there is no debate to be had; they are too far gone!

I abhor cruelty to animals. But they are not more important than people.

Sweetenuf2 · 16/07/2024 17:06

I can’t believe this is even a discussion. Op is correct - it obviously is wrong because it’s against the campsite policy. End of story.

If dog owners have an issue with campsite “no dogs in toilet” policy they should take that up with the owners or find another one! It’s so simple. You don’t just run all over the rules.

I don’t like seeing dogs in cafes but I can’t object or just march them out if it’s in a dog friendly cafe. I just have to march myself out - and I do! So why should dog owners expect to take advantage of dog friendly policies but ignore restrictions on dogs?

It’s outrageous and incredibly selfish. The fact that some are even trying to justify it is crazy and shows where we are at in society.

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 16:42

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/07/2024 16:20

I’m not talking about following the rules as you well know. I’m talking about the dog haters who don’t care if something happens to them, the idiots who think dog owners are ‘inadequate’ (hello pot, meet kettle) and the general haters who converge on a thread whenever they hear the dog klaxon.

Do you expect people who dislike dogs in indoor public spaces, not to contribute to a thread about dogs in toilets? What a strange little comment about a klaxon.

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 16:41

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 16:12

Yes, seriously. To dog owners our dogs ARE family members. The insurance payout for my dog who dropped dead does not bring her back! Bonkers, absolutely fucking bonkers to suggest it would.

Hence my rather flippant response really.

I actually have zero skin in this game as I don't go camping, and when I did go out and about, it was with an assistance dog. Who can go anywhere at all (well, not an operating theatre and a tiny handful of other sterile environments)... no matter how allergic or phobic someone else might be.

In that case, surely the price of someone’s dog is irrelevant. Posters quoting how much they spent on their dog and thus wouldn’t leave it unattended, clearly do care about their lost financial investment.

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 16:38

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 15:45

How do you do that when camping or generally on holiday with the dog? Camp for a few hours at a time then pop home for the dog?

Maybe we should invent a dog that, with a remote control, can be switched off, disappeared out of existance in inconvenient moments, and then switch back on again when thats ok.

Or a time machine so we can just rewind time until whatever series of events that caused us to need to take a dog where a dog shouldn't be, hasn't yet happened. That sounds super practical, I await the invention of either with bated breath!

Having seen the vile attitudes to dogs on this thread there is absolutely no fucking way I'd leave mine unsupervised anywhere the general public could get to them. They're clearly not safe unless by my side or inside my house.

Having seen the vile attitudes to dogs on this thread there is absolutely no fucking way I'd leave mine unsupervised

What makes you think people who do not want dogs in toilets and restaurants want to go anywhere near your dog? Never mind touch, harm or steal it?

I do wonder how people like you coped when dogs weren’t allowed everywhere? People seemed to have more manners then. Or they somehow coped without their dogs glued to them.

CyprusCypress · 16/07/2024 16:29

Valeriesimpleton · 14/07/2024 10:30

Camping and campers are joyless. This proves it. I hope she reads this, it would possibly be the only way of anyone laughing while sleeping in a tent sharing a toilet with a load of other joyless tightwads.

Do you genuinely find this funny? I wish I was so easily amused. I envy those who laugh at this banal stuff.