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Why does this country have very little compassion for the victims of grooming gangs?

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Louisaaa · 12/07/2024 21:55

Firstly this is not a post about race! I understand men of all races have been involved in grooming gangs! This is mainly about why the British authorities and public have very little sympathy or will to try and solve the problem.

I find it horrendous how so many young girls have been exposed to the most horrific acts of rape, gang rape, murder, forced pregnancies throughout the UK over the decades etc...

Some of these girls where as young as 11!! Most where under 16 and grew up in care homes or came from very deprived backgrounds. Most where white.

When I see all the cases of this happening throughout the UK and hear how the POLICE, SOCIAL SERVICES, LOCAL COUNCIL and media gave it very little attention... Some of the documents showed that the council in Rotherham openly told it's staff to stop mentioning it in reports. The police would often lie blame with the victims and said it needed to tread carefully due to racial tension, and the social services would describe the men as their bfs..

  • a girl of 16 had been raped by over 300 men before she turned 16
  • some of them would disappear from care homes and where locked in flats for weeks where men would come rape them
  • some girls disappeared completely (thought murdered
  • some of them where trafficked around the country to be raped by other men
  • some girls murdered
  • 1400 girls raped in Rotherham under 16 and only 28 men have been convicted!!!

It shocks how people are still scared to talk about this or have no interest to do so... But when a woman is wolf whistled in the street.... Well conversations need to be had.

Is this because the children are white working class?
The majority of offenders in the cases are predominantly British Pakistani?
The children been brought up in care?

I do feel class played more a role, I feel if they were middle/upper class the authorities would have stamped it out immediately.

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GKD · 13/07/2024 19:08

Do you agree in actions to stop VAWG/racism?

because it doesn’t sound like it.

It seems to me you solely want to focus on a a single community on a preconception you have of their beliefs.

You seem to think they are solely responsible for CSA and not focus on the perpetrators and patterns that lead to the crimes.

simplistic and narrow thinking.

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 19:04

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 18:38

Do you disagree with PSHE, the adverts, etc, to try to stop VAWG in general, or do you just disagree with raising awareness about racially and religiously aggravated crimes against white/black girls by those softer means?

Do you disagree with hate crime punishments in general or do you just disagree if white girls are being recognised as subject to these crimes?

Look at the reports into the grooming/rapes... When many Pakistani men where raping them they were calling them.

  • white slags
-white whores
  • white trash
-Gorah

White girls are recognised as the victims of British Pakistani grooming/raping in reports as that's who they are primarily targeting and making racial slurs when raping and torturing them.

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ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 18:38

GKD · 13/07/2024 18:30

It’s @ToadOfTheThreads not me who wants to educate an entire community to capture the minority of rapists/abusers in their midst.

I agree with you hence my post above that basically details educating people to prevent children being abused and those who are abusing.

Do you disagree with PSHE, the adverts, etc, to try to stop VAWG in general, or do you just disagree with raising awareness about racially and religiously aggravated crimes against white/black girls by those softer means?

Do you disagree with hate crime punishments in general or do you just disagree if white girls are being recognised as subject to these crimes?

GKD · 13/07/2024 18:34

@ToadOfTheThreads anyone who abuses ppl will have a huge lack of empathy, telling them their beliefs/actions are racist isn’t going to change anything.

They won’t give a fuck.

And that stands for every group you can think of.

GKD · 13/07/2024 18:30

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 18:08

I honestly don't think groomers/rapists are going to change their viewpoint. they know what they're doing is vile ... What are you going to say to them in education?

Don't groom children because it's wrong? They know all of that...

I would just say anyone caught of grooming/rape should have a mandatory sentence of X years with no possibility of parole.

I'd say that should also be relevant for other serious crimes like murder ..

However I don't think this will happen.

It’s @ToadOfTheThreads not me who wants to educate an entire community to capture the minority of rapists/abusers in their midst.

I agree with you hence my post above that basically details educating people to prevent children being abused and those who are abusing.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 18:25

GKD · 13/07/2024 18:00

Are you Muslim?

You seem to think the British Muslim community is seeped in thinking outsiders are subpar?
Do you have personal experience of this?

The signs on the tube etc are not aimed at one particular community, they are universal.

It seems to be that the only action you want is for the Muslim community to be educated on CSE/A, which for the most part would mean shouting into an echo chamber.

You realise that it wouldn’t stop it right?

You could easily have a campaign which brings to light the fact that thinking of white girls as unclean slags is racist and will not be tolerated and that sexual violence towards girls where race and religion factor will carry a heavier sentence and treated as a hate crime.

Currently, the majority believe that targeting ‘white’ people or people who don’t follow a particular religion, is not racist or hate. The prevalent view is that only white people are capable of racism or religious intolerance. This needs to change. Thinking of people as ‘unclean’ if they don’t share your religion is religious intolerance and disrespectful.

TheHateIsNotGood · 13/07/2024 18:15

I haven't voted because I had hoped that the many failings that allowed this to happen so widely has led to lessons being learned and that 'grooming' has become a red flag indicator throughout all public service practices.

If this isn't the current case and that there are specific areas where these 'grooming gangs' are currently flourishing I, and many others, would like to know.

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 18:09

I think the whole world is failing women when it comes to rape/grooming children.

It's everywhere in USA and Europe, I went to Japan a few years ago and they have a major problem their with Japanese men grooming school children, and it's completely normalised there... However it's Japan, so no shock there.

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Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 18:08

GKD · 13/07/2024 18:03

Well.

Rape has been all but legalised across the board.

Currently I think any prosecution and sentencing would be an improvement on what we have.

Didn’t Boris Johnson refer to investigating such crimes as spaffing money up the wall?

Hopefully this attitude will change and abusers/rapists will be removed from our streets.

I honestly don't think groomers/rapists are going to change their viewpoint. they know what they're doing is vile ... What are you going to say to them in education?

Don't groom children because it's wrong? They know all of that...

I would just say anyone caught of grooming/rape should have a mandatory sentence of X years with no possibility of parole.

I'd say that should also be relevant for other serious crimes like murder ..

However I don't think this will happen.

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GKD · 13/07/2024 18:03

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 17:44

That's my point exactly... This has to be tackled with mandatory prison sentences on all rapists.

Well.

Rape has been all but legalised across the board.

Currently I think any prosecution and sentencing would be an improvement on what we have.

Didn’t Boris Johnson refer to investigating such crimes as spaffing money up the wall?

Hopefully this attitude will change and abusers/rapists will be removed from our streets.

GKD · 13/07/2024 18:00

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 17:18

Look, there are plenty of education campaigns around telling people not to be racist, posters on tubes saying ‘racist abuse will not be tolerated’, etc, people visiting schools to educate kids, etc, - even though the majority of kids are not racist and wouldn’t dream of perpetrating race hate crimes. Why the apathy about educating people in communities where it is commonplace enough to regard white or black Christian or non-religious girls as inferior, unclean, dirty, slags, prostitutes, etc, that these racially and religiously targeted grooming gangs bloom?

There are many people, yourself included it seems, who do not want the racial and religious nature of these crimes addressed in a targeted way. If these young men weren’t raised in a culture of thinking of white young girls as unclean slags, they would be less likely to feel comfortable to be part of it.

Are you Muslim?

You seem to think the British Muslim community is seeped in thinking outsiders are subpar?
Do you have personal experience of this?

The signs on the tube etc are not aimed at one particular community, they are universal.

It seems to be that the only action you want is for the Muslim community to be educated on CSE/A, which for the most part would mean shouting into an echo chamber.

You realise that it wouldn’t stop it right?

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 17:44

GKD · 13/07/2024 15:52

You’d spend resources educating an entire community (which community, all men?) against beliefs that the vast vast vast majority don’t believe in?

seems a bit simplistic and narrow to be honest.

I don’t think the issue can be solved with one method.

That's my point exactly... This has to be tackled with mandatory prison sentences on all rapists.

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Meraas · 13/07/2024 17:42

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 17:42

Also educate yourself on per capita

What are you even on about?

You’re lurching from one non-sensical point to another.

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 17:42

Meraas · 13/07/2024 17:41

People like you always want an echo chamber.

Also educate yourself on per capita

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Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 17:41

True, however police don't ignore them gangraping children in fear of being called racist... 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Meraas · 13/07/2024 17:41

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 17:40

Feel free to not reply any more.....🤷🏼‍♀️

People like you always want an echo chamber.

Meraas · 13/07/2024 17:40

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/07/2024 17:39

A Home Office report stated that the majority of grooming gangs are white

Referring back to my post at 8:31, @Meraas, how would they know?

In case you missed it, that was the result of an FoI request to the Office for National Statistics about the stats from 2000/2020, and brought the response:
"Unfortunately, we do not hold data on victims and perpetrators of grooming gangs"

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says | Home Office | The Guardian

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 17:40

Meraas · 13/07/2024 17:39

This nasty response just proves you’re not worth engaging with.

Read your own posts.

Feel free to not reply any more.....🤷🏼‍♀️

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Meraas · 13/07/2024 17:39

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This nasty response just proves you’re not worth engaging with.

Read your own posts.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/07/2024 17:39

A Home Office report stated that the majority of grooming gangs are white

Referring back to my post at 8:31, @Meraas, how would they know?

In case you missed it, that was the result of an FoI request to the Office for National Statistics about the stats from 2000/2020, and brought the response:
"Unfortunately, we do not hold data on victims and perpetrators of grooming gangs"

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 17:37

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Meraas · 13/07/2024 17:30

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 14:54

That statement is true! I'm talking about the majority of the offenders that the police ignore! The police have openly stated in reports that they did not act on many cases of rapes due to them been perceived to be racist.

The police were lying to excuse their own prejudice against the working class girl victims.

The police in this country have admitted they’re institutionally racist, there is no way they would be afraid of race relations.

Your OP is a study in hypocrisy, starting off by saying it’s not about race and then going focusing solely on British Pakistanis. A Home Office report stated that the majority of grooming gangs are white.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 17:18

GKD · 13/07/2024 15:52

You’d spend resources educating an entire community (which community, all men?) against beliefs that the vast vast vast majority don’t believe in?

seems a bit simplistic and narrow to be honest.

I don’t think the issue can be solved with one method.

Look, there are plenty of education campaigns around telling people not to be racist, posters on tubes saying ‘racist abuse will not be tolerated’, etc, people visiting schools to educate kids, etc, - even though the majority of kids are not racist and wouldn’t dream of perpetrating race hate crimes. Why the apathy about educating people in communities where it is commonplace enough to regard white or black Christian or non-religious girls as inferior, unclean, dirty, slags, prostitutes, etc, that these racially and religiously targeted grooming gangs bloom?

There are many people, yourself included it seems, who do not want the racial and religious nature of these crimes addressed in a targeted way. If these young men weren’t raised in a culture of thinking of white young girls as unclean slags, they would be less likely to feel comfortable to be part of it.

GKD · 13/07/2024 15:52

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 10:47

Education of communities where there is a widespread perception that white/black, Christian or non-religious girls are seen as inferior, meat, slags, prostitutes, dirt, etc, towards tolerance, respect and compassion around cultural differences, and for this kind of hatred and prejudice to become taboo, in the same way that racism/religious intolerance is taboo in the other direction.

For racially and religiously aggravated grooming, rape, exploitation to carry a heavier sentence as hate crimes.

You’d spend resources educating an entire community (which community, all men?) against beliefs that the vast vast vast majority don’t believe in?

seems a bit simplistic and narrow to be honest.

I don’t think the issue can be solved with one method.

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 14:56

Moglet4 · 13/07/2024 09:04

I think you’ve got fixated on one example in the media. The majority of perpetrators and victims are white. Quite why they don’t get the same coverage is another question

You really didn't read my post did you! This is about the police, social services and local councils ignoring the grooming gangs because they where Asian.

Stop making excuses.

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