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(Work related) for wanting to use my AL for childcare?

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OneGlamMama · 12/07/2024 21:46

I am a single mum.

I put in my annual leave request for the summer holidays around a month ago to my new manager who had started two weeks prior.

He told me he would look into and get back to me.
I had requested for Monday to Wednesday off each week for the five week holiday. (Ten days of holiday to use as I have Mondays off anyway)
This was denied last week.

I compromised and said I would take Monday and Tuesday off each week instead. Also denied.

I then followed up with how about I use two half days on Tuesday and Wednesday. Also denied.

I asked why and was told that we are thin on the ground, my role is too important to lose me this much in a week, that childcare wasn't a good enough reason for AL, that I could take a week off but not one day each week, etc.

I've been told to put in a flexi working request for a temporary change of five weeks!

AIBU to lose my cool with this?!

OP posts:
whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 13/07/2024 07:54

Skyglimmer · 13/07/2024 07:48

I am taking 1 or 2 days off each week over summer for childcare. It doesn't mean that others in the office can't take a week off etc.

It would cause issues in my office. We can only have 2 people off at a time. By OP booking part of the week each week it basically means only one person can have a week off at a time during that period so its going to cause issues with when are the other people going to take their time off

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 13/07/2024 07:52

OneGlamMama · 12/07/2024 22:11

I'm being denied all holiday, let alone parental leave.

Have you even asked? There's rules. They can suggest alternative dates but they can't flat out refuse

DoublePeonies · 13/07/2024 07:51

I've worked at places that would probably allow this, and places who would definitely have rejected it.

It sounds like you are in a place who us going to say no, so can you find another way round?
What is it about a shorter week you want? Can you book 2x 1 week holidays, both Wednesday - Wednesday. So you ask for date 24-31 July - constant one weeks leave, but that gives you 2 half weeks at work. Do the same later in August, and that's 4 half weeks across the summer.

NerrSnerr · 13/07/2024 07:50

Skyglimmer · 13/07/2024 07:48

I am taking 1 or 2 days off each week over summer for childcare. It doesn't mean that others in the office can't take a week off etc.

It depends on the nature of the work though. My work is also fine with this but not all workplaces will function like this.

Skyglimmer · 13/07/2024 07:48

I am taking 1 or 2 days off each week over summer for childcare. It doesn't mean that others in the office can't take a week off etc.

Maryamlouise · 13/07/2024 07:42

I effectively go part time and flexible over the summer (like sometimes I work evenings etc) and I make sure it doesn't impact anyone else. Feeling very grateful for my job just now

Londonrach1 · 13/07/2024 07:39

I can see that causing problems in a small team. It breaks into every week. Not sure a problem in a big team. I know dh and my work say no (different work places). You having children doesn't mean you get holiday time off no one else. You are Abit late asking though. School holidays have in some places already started or starting next week.

FTPM1980 · 13/07/2024 07:37

Tillymintxx · 13/07/2024 07:19

If this was me I would just get a sick note for several weeks over the summer holidays. They leave you little choice and as a single parent i am sure this does cause you undue stress.

Don't do this
It's incredibly petty and unprofessional and potentially fraudulent.
Any GP that agreed to this is also unprofessional.
This would also trigger an absence meeting and an occupational health assessment in my workplace.

FTPM1980 · 13/07/2024 07:35

OneGlamMama · 12/07/2024 21:58

I'm the first one to make any requests for summer holidays.

Can't take it paid or unpaid as everything has been denied, due to the fact that they 'can't afford to lose me that much'

I'm the only one with kids..
I am one of the managers so me being off doesn't affect anyone else taking time off.

Why so late requesting it if its so important?
I am amazed no-one else has got any requests at that time.
Personally if I could I would allow this....I am not sure why you are labelling it mon-wed if you don't work Mondays? Clearly they cope without you Mondays?

User364837 · 13/07/2024 07:33

My employer would let me do this
surely it’s better for them to have you off for a few days at a time than a chunk of a couple of weeks I would’ve thought

GRex · 13/07/2024 07:31

I would think as a manager that your proposal would be better for business because you can keep entirely on top of your own work. HR policies can require a clear break of 2 weeks for health reasons, so this might be the sticking point. Is there any way of a sensible conversation to come to an agreement about what works best for you and the business? Can you block 2 weeks in the middle, a couple of extra days and then use summer camps for the rest?

Be aware the last week of summer holidays is poorly served by camps where they use school grounds, because schools are often preparing for return. So you might prefer the last 2 weeks for the longer break.

WhitegreeNcandle · 13/07/2024 07:27

How big is your workplace? I have a team of six of which 3 have to be in daily for work to be done. There is no way we could accomodate what you want. It would be unfair on other staff and they would be up in arms if i agreed it.

Tillymintxx · 13/07/2024 07:19

If this was me I would just get a sick note for several weeks over the summer holidays. They leave you little choice and as a single parent i am sure this does cause you undue stress.

JustAnotherHappyFatty · 13/07/2024 07:17

I have just done this with my employer, just booked every Friday off over the summer hols (other odd days as well). I have effectively gone part time for the summer.
We have a calendar up in the office and it is up to each individual to put their holidays up as soon as they know they need them, it's first come first served!

rwalker · 13/07/2024 06:28

I think you need to ask for clear reasons for the refusals

wanting 3 or 2 days each week I show imagine would impact on other people being able to take a full week

have you asked for any full weeks off

fluffi · 13/07/2024 06:04

My workplace wouldn’t agree to this kind of holiday request especially given lack of notice, work and deadlines are already planned several months ahead.

Your manager is correct this a temporary flexible working request, it’s effectively going part time for 5 weeks.

The alternative is unpaid parental leave but that has to be taken in week long chunks (unless employer agrees otherwise and doesn’t sound like they would in your case)

FateReset · 13/07/2024 05:46

Most workplaces would be against this. Other staff may want a week or 2 off in summer hols to spend time with grandchildren or provide childcare for their nieces/nephews or join family getaways.

I think you should request a week or chunk of time, then use holiday club or a childminder like most people?

Bjorkdidit · 13/07/2024 01:44

For many workplaces what you want to do will work quite well. You're in some time each week so no-one has to wait ages for your input on anything. So possibly far more practical than you being off for a fortnight.

But it depends on the workplace although I find it surprising that this is the first time summer AL has come up. Normally people start booking it at the start of the leave year or even earlier.

If they won't let you take any leave in the summer, when will they let you take it?

namechangedtemporarily123 · 13/07/2024 00:05

This is the kind of thing I've been doing for the last 15 years, spread over 3 workplaces, no probs. Suppose it depends on the employer but there's no hard and fast rule

Lovemycat2023 · 13/07/2024 00:04

What does the leave policy say OP? If it’s not obvious as for a copy of it. It should be clear on how much notice and what is likely to be approved. Ours says you cant ask for more than three weeks in a block, and there is a specified notice period, and that at least one team member needs to be over the Xmas period. But otherwise no restrictions, except for business requirements. I take that into account when deciding whether to approve.

cloudy477654 · 12/07/2024 23:30

gamerchick · 12/07/2024 21:50

I couldn't imagine any workplace agreeing to that. A week definitely but not every week for 5. Would be a right ballache for other people wanting time off over the summer.

I think my work would.... but I probably would have given them more notice

Froniga · 12/07/2024 23:27

OneGlamMama · 12/07/2024 21:46

I am a single mum.

I put in my annual leave request for the summer holidays around a month ago to my new manager who had started two weeks prior.

He told me he would look into and get back to me.
I had requested for Monday to Wednesday off each week for the five week holiday. (Ten days of holiday to use as I have Mondays off anyway)
This was denied last week.

I compromised and said I would take Monday and Tuesday off each week instead. Also denied.

I then followed up with how about I use two half days on Tuesday and Wednesday. Also denied.

I asked why and was told that we are thin on the ground, my role is too important to lose me this much in a week, that childcare wasn't a good enough reason for AL, that I could take a week off but not one day each week, etc.

I've been told to put in a flexi working request for a temporary change of five weeks!

AIBU to lose my cool with this?!

Could you just request Parental Leave the 5 weeks of the Summer holidays? It would be unpaid that’s the only problem. But I don’t believe your employer can refuse this!Perhaps you could apply for Universal Credit for those 5 weeks. But I don’t know if that would be allowed.
hope you can sort something out.

Lavender14 · 12/07/2024 23:06

I think this is fair on your works part op unfortunately. What you're talking about doing is using your annual leave to enable you to work flexibly to accommodate childcare so really yes, a flexible working request is more appropriate here. It's the length you're looking to spread it over that's going to cause an issue for your team. Do you have family or anyone who can babysit for you? Taking part of 5 weeks off will make it really hard for other staff to get time off who are also entitled to it. Not having kids doesn't mean they aren't any less entitled to a break. I know some workplaces might go along with it but I would see that as the exception rather than the rule. It also sounds like you want to use the majority of your leave over those 5 weeks- it's not even best practice to let you use the bulk of a years leave in one go, it should be spread across the year to help you avoid burnout. This would be denied in my workplace too.

PippyLongTits · 12/07/2024 23:03

Yanbu. I do this. Having a day off every week means I don't fall too far behind with work compared to if I was gone for 2 weeks as a solid block.

mynameiscalypso · 12/07/2024 23:00

@Bananabreadandstrawberries Of course you can, it's exactly what I'm doing this summer (albeit with a full week off in the middle). Every other week of the holidays, I'm working between 2 and 4 days. No issue at all. My boss is fine with it, just asks that it's marked in my diary.