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Everyone given gold award except DD

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dancschmance · 12/07/2024 17:03

DD (aged 8) has attended an after school dance club this term. I thought it was just a bit of fun and a good way to get some exercise etc. It’s certainly never been presented as competitive or serious.

She’s loved it and was very happy and enthusiastic to go every week.

She’s come home from the last session today in tears. Apparently at the end of the class they were all given attainment awards. According to DD, every single other child was given gold except her - she got silver.

I fully admit that DD probably isn’t the best dancer there (she has inherited my coordination skills!) but she’s tried really hard and been fully committed to the club. I had absolutely no idea that they were going to be “graded” at the end of term and had I known this would happen I would not have signed her up. It’s completely ruined the experience for her and feels like she’s been singled out as the “worst” dancer.

Am I being unreasonable or was this is a really mean and unnecessary approach from the dance teacher? It’s not the olympics - they’re 8 year olds at an extra curricular club!

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Zita60 · 14/07/2024 06:27

taylorswift1989 · 12/07/2024 17:37

It's not really fair on the other kids who got a gold star if the kid who is nowhere near as hardworking/skilled/practised as them gets gold too. It makes it completely meaningless - might as well give them all nothing.

I agree it would be upsetting for your kid, though. I'd hope the teacher thought about it carefully and it was based on an assessment of some kind.

The OP said her daughter had worked really hard. I think in a club like that, effort should be rewarded.

MrHarleyQuin · 14/07/2024 06:23

Depends how it was given out really- there's a difference between doing an exam and knowing you are going to be graded, and then not doing as well as other people have which is fine. Or it's something you can work towards like a swimming or gymnastics badge - fine.

On the other hand, not knowing there was any kind of assessment going on or what the criteria are and things being handed out in such a way as to single out one person is appalling. And in my experience, the world of amateur dance is not exactly free of spiteful, pathetic indivuduals who would do that deliberately. So I would email the organiser about the awards and ask what the criteria are.

It's not about being OTT about stickers, prizes and badges, it's the principle and having your child's back.

RidiculousPrice · 14/07/2024 06:11

Bellsandthistle · 12/07/2024 18:00

YANBU. There’s a place for grading and this isn’t it. If she wanted to join a graded class or take dance exams, she could have.
Imagine turning up to your weekly Zumba class or similar that you do for a bit of fun and you get handed a certificate that lets you know you aren’t as good as the others 😂 😳

Exactly this! It really pissed me off when DD was at primary school, that’s it seemed very little of the extra curricular activities could be done for fun.

The netball was competitive, flute was all about exams or performances, ballet was one of the worst. It used to really upset DD - she just wanted to do these things for pleasure, without any pressure. Something has gone wrong with the whole extra curricular things on a cv vs doing things for pleasure, IMO.

KillerTomato7 · 14/07/2024 05:15

sugarapplelane · 12/07/2024 17:48

I think you need to teach your child resilience from an early age.
This sort of thing is going to happen time after time. Life isn’t fair. And the earlier your child gets used to this the better. We can’t all be winners.
But I would get your facts straight before going in all guns blazing. Kids tend to exaggerate and what she means by “all kids got gold” probably means “her closest friends all got gold and she hasn’t got a clue about the others”

We can’t all be winners. But if someone thinks it’s a good idea to make nearly every child a winner and single out one to be the loser, then they shouldn’t be working with children.

BogRollBOGOF · 14/07/2024 04:59

Competition/ gradings are fine if the nature of them and their criteria are upfront.

I have a dyspraxic child who takes years to get through swimming/ karate gradings, but it's transparent that there is a list of skills to accomplish and you move up when they're met, and it's not competition between a cohort (which I would avoid having been The Shit Child in all physical activity at school.) I have strategically avoided competitive sports for my children.

There are millions of women out there who do not meet minimum targets on participating in exercise because they were turned off by most physical activity being treated as competitive in school and extra-curriculars.

Not being clear that there is an assessment, or the criteria of it is poor form. It's not a case where OP can say "you can get gold when you improve your porte-de-bras". They're none the wiser about how to progress.

Praising exceptional effort and performance is fine, but don't create situations that single children out for negative reasons. (Akin to leaving out the children with poorest health while most of the class get a treat for high attendance)

There needs to be so much more physical activity that has no competition and is just about the joy of doing.

MrsBungle · 14/07/2024 00:48

My children are out of primary school now. They attended loads and loads of after school sports clubs from dance to lacrosse to football and American football. None were ever graded in this way.

CrowleyKitten · 14/07/2024 00:30

Justsaynonow · 13/07/2024 22:30

That's horrible. My kids' sports days gave a choice of participating in individual competitive events, otherwise it was all team games, and ranking of the teams' points at the end. Way back when for my sports days, we received coloured ribbons (1,2,3 or participant) for each event and it was common for most kids to have all participant ribbons.

sports days were always horrible for me. even when my ear issue was fixed, I was always more academic than sporty. I spent my lunchtimes reading on a bench or in the library, not running around.
I was severely bullied all through school, and in my teens for sports day you could sign up for the events you wanted to do.
someone thought it was funny to sign me up for the 1500m. race, it being the longest race, and me not being into running.
I told the school I didn't put my name down, and they told me that my name was on the list, so I didn't have a choice.
fortunately, when I told them that if they FORCED me to participate in a race I didn't put my name down for, I would walk. and they'd have to wait for me to finish before the next race, because I DID NOT CONSENT to being part of that race.

they weren't willing to take me at my word that I didn't write my name on the sign up sheet to not do it, but when they realised I was not going to try and do it and fail, and make an idiot of myself and would instead disrupt their running times, they agreed I could "drop out" even though I never signed up for it in the first place.

Julimia · 13/07/2024 23:27

Instead of worrying and posting on here, get in touch with the teacher/leader , in a non confrontational way, and get the facts. Your daughter needs the facts too.

VJBR · 13/07/2024 23:22

Parents reactions are so important. I remember auditioning for the school play and not being picked. My mum’s reaction was at least we don’t have the hassle of making a costume. Somehow it made me feel better. That is was no big deal. She only told me years later how disappointed she was for me. Silver is a great achievement. I would focus on that rather than reinforcing her feelings of failure that she didn’t get a gold.

Pherian · 13/07/2024 22:39

This is a learning opportunity. I would ask for feedback on why they got a silver and not a gold. Then work on those areas and work for gold next time.

Setting the expectations that everyone is going to get treated the same and get the same isn’t setting them up for the ability to deal with disappointment, accept constructive feedback, understand their strengths and weaknesses and, work on personal skills and communication.

8 years old isn’t too young to start learning this.

Justsaynonow · 13/07/2024 22:30

CrowleyKitten · 13/07/2024 22:25

I can still remember my first school sports day. now we didn't know it at the time, but I had balance issues due to being mostly deaf in one ear and about half that in the other, and inner ear issues. this was later fixed with Gromets.
but my first sports day I learned how spiteful they were about not being sporty.
there was a race, in which, predictably, I came last. at the finish line, one of the teachers was giving out sweets. I came last, so I didn't get one. EVERY other child in the race got one, except for me because I was the worst. the person that came second to last got a sweet. I didn't. because I was the worst. thinking about that still hurts. because why did they need to single me out, and basically show that everyone else deserved a reward, but I didn't.
I would understand if if it was only, say, first, second and third that got one. but no. it was everyone except the person that came last.
that's not just rewarding people for being the best, that's punishing one person for being useless, and it hurts to be singled out as that one person who is worse than everyone else.

That's horrible. My kids' sports days gave a choice of participating in individual competitive events, otherwise it was all team games, and ranking of the teams' points at the end. Way back when for my sports days, we received coloured ribbons (1,2,3 or participant) for each event and it was common for most kids to have all participant ribbons.

Justsaynonow · 13/07/2024 22:26

UKsounding · 12/07/2024 17:36

As a mother of a kid who was involved in a subjectively scored sport (figure skating/ice dance) for many years, you have got to re-think how you react to coloured shiny stickers or bits of plastic with your daughter. It is best if you simply don't react to it and certainly minimise the whole thing.
Praise your daughter for effort rather than achievement - every week, not just at the end of term. It started at your daughter's age - when my dd came in from, in our case skating, I would say "best effort?" and she would usually respond with "nothing left on the ice!" which is a Canadian ice hockey saying when team gives a game 100% and we would leave it at that. It didn't immediately matter about what went well or badly or what a coach said about anything.

When she competed, we had the same exchange, and when the scores came up they really didn't matter because she had given it her best effort and was happy with herself - that is what was/is important. She is at university now, doing a really challenging, competitive course, and she will still ring me to tell me she had an exam and left nothing on the ice. She is coaching little ones, and I often hear her ask a little one who fell again whether it was her best effort?, exchange a high-five and set her up to try again. It makes me smile.

TLDR; If we want our kids to stick things out and try again, we have to teach them to not judge themselves based on the opinions or achievements of others, but on whether they had given it their best effort and to be willing to pick themselves up and go again. The way your dd sees you react to her silver award teaches her how to deal with the disappointments that inevitably are to come in life. Focus on HER efforts and HER victories and don't engage with what others get and she won't either.

High 5 from another long time fs parent, though mine did singles👋.You sound like one of the rare 'normal' ones. I used to keep the Hallmark commercial in mind - the mother gave her daughter 2 cards to open after her skate, one for if she did well and one for if she didn't - they both said the same thing. basically, I love you, I'm proud of you. I spoke at several seminars re parenting high level athletes and saw an eye-full from rink level.

Mine have all come out the other end of their competitive careers as well rounded high achieving adults. Two are now involved in judging/ts'ing. One coaches in his evenings after his real work as he enjoys it (and wants to add some positive perspective for the skaters he co-coaches, but that's another story). One is still scarred by things her coach said. All say they're glad they learned to stick with something, and to win and lose, something rarely experienced by their cohort in school.

Our current competitive levels have entry categories where skaters of similar levels perform for a judging panel and are graded against standards, not each other. Those standards are labelled gold, silver and bronze. So it is possible for all skaters or none to get gold - and they know what they need to do to get better results.

While the dance class may not have such obvious evaluation tools, all of the many classes my kids took had some form of eval at the end, even soccer camps, and it wasn't usually announced ahead of time. The levels of achievement definitely should have been explained to the class participants.

CrowleyKitten · 13/07/2024 22:25

I can still remember my first school sports day. now we didn't know it at the time, but I had balance issues due to being mostly deaf in one ear and about half that in the other, and inner ear issues. this was later fixed with Gromets.
but my first sports day I learned how spiteful they were about not being sporty.
there was a race, in which, predictably, I came last. at the finish line, one of the teachers was giving out sweets. I came last, so I didn't get one. EVERY other child in the race got one, except for me because I was the worst. the person that came second to last got a sweet. I didn't. because I was the worst. thinking about that still hurts. because why did they need to single me out, and basically show that everyone else deserved a reward, but I didn't.
I would understand if if it was only, say, first, second and third that got one. but no. it was everyone except the person that came last.
that's not just rewarding people for being the best, that's punishing one person for being useless, and it hurts to be singled out as that one person who is worse than everyone else.

Werweisswohin · 13/07/2024 22:10

dancschmance · 12/07/2024 17:06

No - I’ve emailed the school (politely!) to double check DD’s account of it before I decide what to do next. But DD came out with a group of her 4 closest friends and all of them had received gold awards.

How many are in the class? Those 4 receiving gold doesn't mean everyone did, unless there's only 5 in the class.

pollymere · 13/07/2024 22:07

My child used to dance and for one they got gradings based on achievement/attainment rather than exams with a grade.

So rather than it being that yours got a Merit and everyone else got a Distinction (which could also be legitimately the case) it could also be that your DD isn't able to do something yet to achieve Gold. So they can do the steps to achieve Silver but maybe they can't do the splits yet for example. She'll then get Gold when she can.

If it is the former, then she's probably unlucky - I remember mine just missing out on a Distinction for tap when everyone else managed. They were too pleased getting a Merit for me to compare it with what others achieved.

Commonsense22 · 13/07/2024 21:06

OP, I agree that if she was the only one, it feels unnecessarily hurtful. Especially if there was no warning!

parkrun500club · 13/07/2024 21:05

LittleLittleRex · 13/07/2024 19:04

I might have missed it but as your DD has only just started this term, maybe the others got silver last term and it's as straightforward as being the newest.

Yes I thought that could be the case as well.

parkrun500club · 13/07/2024 21:04

SlightlyJaded · 12/07/2024 18:31

I don't even care if there are 'criteria'. An adult dance teacher singling one child out as 'worst' is petty and spiteful. i would absolutely want to give them a slow hand clap for ruining my DDs joy.

it could easily happen at a swimming class: if eg you were being assessed for stage 3 and didn't meet the criteria, you wouldn't get the award. Not petty or spiteful at all.

Leafygreen84 · 13/07/2024 20:54

YANBU. It isn’t a competitive dance class. The “gradings” aren’t official and mean sweet FA to anyone except the kids-so why single one out? Hope you get a response.

sugarapplelane · 13/07/2024 20:37

dancschmance · 12/07/2024 18:59

I just don’t think that’s comparable though, because:

a) presumably you knew you’d signed her up for a competitive dance school? Unlike this one, which (to my knowledge) has only ever been presented as a bit of fun.
b) I’m guessing your child wasn’t the ONLY child not picked for festivals/competitions?

But you don’t know for sure that your child was the only one who didn’t get gold do you?

You’re taking what your DD says as gospel without finding out the real facts, you’re running away with yourself without the truth to back you up.

LittleLittleRex · 13/07/2024 19:04

I might have missed it but as your DD has only just started this term, maybe the others got silver last term and it's as straightforward as being the newest.

Survivingnotthriving24 · 13/07/2024 18:50

I didn't go to a competitive dance school, but we did do exams which were assessed independently by an official body (can't remember which!). They were graded the same as your daughters, any chance this is what's happened?

ilovesushi · 13/07/2024 18:34

caringcarer · 12/07/2024 19:52

When I was a child I did gymnastics and we all worked towards the BAGA awards. They had 4,3,2 and 1. Quite a lot of girls in my group got grade 1. I couldn't get grade 1 because I couldn't do the splits. I tried and tried but could never do them. All of my friends got grade 1. Younger DC joined our group and many got ahead of me and got grade 1. My Mum just told me she was proud of me for not giving up and gaining grade 2. I started at 6 and went on until 10 and still never achieved grade 1. My younger sister got grade 1 at about 8. She was better at gymnastics than me. Your DD will find something she is really good at in time.

I never got my BAGA 1 award because I couldn't do a backflip without a one finger support. Still feels like unfinished business! 😂

JulySheWillFlyAndGiveNoWarningToHerFlight · 12/07/2024 22:41

But DD came out with a group of her 4 closest friends and all of them had received gold awards

That’s really not the same as everyone else in the class getting gold. It might feel like that to your DD, but there’s a chance they were the only four.

pizzaHeart · 12/07/2024 22:25

Of course you are not unreasonable OP. Others might be way better but it’s not the point in this situation. Dance schools have exams in which students achieve different grades and rewarded for their abilities. They move different students to a higher lever with different speed. Some schools have the best achiever award but it’s for the one person in the class. End of year rewards are the same for everyone because they reflect participation and belonging to the team. They are not graded, it would be very unfair.
OP there is a possibility of course that her friends all got gold so that’s what she meant saying that all others got gold. It won’t change my view but might help you to talk tp your daughter.