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Everyone given gold award except DD

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dancschmance · 12/07/2024 17:03

DD (aged 8) has attended an after school dance club this term. I thought it was just a bit of fun and a good way to get some exercise etc. It’s certainly never been presented as competitive or serious.

She’s loved it and was very happy and enthusiastic to go every week.

She’s come home from the last session today in tears. Apparently at the end of the class they were all given attainment awards. According to DD, every single other child was given gold except her - she got silver.

I fully admit that DD probably isn’t the best dancer there (she has inherited my coordination skills!) but she’s tried really hard and been fully committed to the club. I had absolutely no idea that they were going to be “graded” at the end of term and had I known this would happen I would not have signed her up. It’s completely ruined the experience for her and feels like she’s been singled out as the “worst” dancer.

Am I being unreasonable or was this is a really mean and unnecessary approach from the dance teacher? It’s not the olympics - they’re 8 year olds at an extra curricular club!

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itistooeasy · 14/07/2024 11:16

RustyBear · 14/07/2024 11:15

Or possibly that it happened on Friday and it’s only Sunday now, so the teacher, understandably, hasn’t responded yet?

nah

storm in a tea cup

RustyBear · 14/07/2024 11:15

itistooeasy · 14/07/2024 10:27

i suspect that given the op hasn’t been back

that it was a storm in a teacup and the OP hasn’t got the full picture

Or possibly that it happened on Friday and it’s only Sunday now, so the teacher, understandably, hasn’t responded yet?

DoAClassicCamel · 14/07/2024 11:09

If DD was the only one not to get gold, I’d be upset about it and the reason for it would have to be very good.

@mumindoghouse the OP said herself that her daughter is not the best dancer and has inherited her lack of coordination. Which is probably why she got silver.

mumindoghouse · 14/07/2024 11:05

If DD was the only one not to get gold, I’d be upset about it and the reason for it would have to be very good.

If- which may be more likely-others also got silver or even bronze, just not in her friendship group then you’ll have no trouble supporting her.

At 8, in fun after school dance club, DS was never awarded the highest award which usually went to the girls. We just told him we were proud. He kept going when most of the boys dropped out.

Roll on a few years and for his dance degree he was given an offer by every UK conservatoire and he hopes to make a career in dance. So what one teacher in one club at an early age thinks doesn’t mean too much in the long run.

I hope what happened was the second para OP.

DoAClassicCamel · 14/07/2024 11:05

itistooeasy · 14/07/2024 10:27

i suspect that given the op hasn’t been back

that it was a storm in a teacup and the OP hasn’t got the full picture

Also that if her child had been awarded gold and not silver the whole issue of finding out that there was a competitive aspect and it wasn’t just for fun wouldn’t have been an issue even if one of the other children had been given silver.

itistooeasy · 14/07/2024 10:27

i suspect that given the op hasn’t been back

that it was a storm in a teacup and the OP hasn’t got the full picture

taylorswift1989 · 14/07/2024 10:24

Zita60 · 14/07/2024 06:27

The OP said her daughter had worked really hard. I think in a club like that, effort should be rewarded.

I did add another comment when I understood that the club was supposed to be about fun and that OP never knew there was any kind of assessment involved.

Idtotallybangdreamoftheendlessnotgonnalie · 14/07/2024 10:07

My 7 year old daughter does shit loads of competitive and non competitive sports. I think this is a dick move, it's a participation award, and those should be the same for all kids.

I'd probably just suggest that the teacher is being a bit of a plum, and that I can imagine it wasn't fun for daughter but you're proud of how she handled it with grace. Tell her it's the start of an adult life lesson- people can be plonkers and not to rely on external awards and approval but to work on how SHE felt when she was dancing with her friends. Make your own certificate with the things she learnt during the term- friendship, teamwork, looking after her kit/being organised, whatever.

For my daughter who is competitive, I tell her you don't want to be the kid at the top of the pile, you want to be the kid coming third or forth. It means you've got skill and talent, but you've got a way to go and a lot to learn. It strengthens your perseverance muscles, your NGU (never give up, thank you Bear Grills 🙄) muscles. It makes you hungry.

Whip out a bit of Malcolm Gladwell- sports stars aren't the ones that looked special right from the start, the stars are the ones that had a mix of a bit of talent and suffered a few knocks along the way and learnt to work for it.

itistooeasy · 14/07/2024 10:05

dancschmance · 12/07/2024 17:06

No - I’ve emailed the school (politely!) to double check DD’s account of it before I decide what to do next. But DD came out with a group of her 4 closest friends and all of them had received gold awards.

i will take a punt Op that it wasn’t “everyone”?

Noname99 · 14/07/2024 09:51

UKsounding · 12/07/2024 17:36

As a mother of a kid who was involved in a subjectively scored sport (figure skating/ice dance) for many years, you have got to re-think how you react to coloured shiny stickers or bits of plastic with your daughter. It is best if you simply don't react to it and certainly minimise the whole thing.
Praise your daughter for effort rather than achievement - every week, not just at the end of term. It started at your daughter's age - when my dd came in from, in our case skating, I would say "best effort?" and she would usually respond with "nothing left on the ice!" which is a Canadian ice hockey saying when team gives a game 100% and we would leave it at that. It didn't immediately matter about what went well or badly or what a coach said about anything.

When she competed, we had the same exchange, and when the scores came up they really didn't matter because she had given it her best effort and was happy with herself - that is what was/is important. She is at university now, doing a really challenging, competitive course, and she will still ring me to tell me she had an exam and left nothing on the ice. She is coaching little ones, and I often hear her ask a little one who fell again whether it was her best effort?, exchange a high-five and set her up to try again. It makes me smile.

TLDR; If we want our kids to stick things out and try again, we have to teach them to not judge themselves based on the opinions or achievements of others, but on whether they had given it their best effort and to be willing to pick themselves up and go again. The way your dd sees you react to her silver award teaches her how to deal with the disappointments that inevitably are to come in life. Focus on HER efforts and HER victories and don't engage with what others get and she won't either.

This !!

Sharptonguedwoman · 14/07/2024 09:49

dancschmance · 12/07/2024 17:39

What’s the point in the awards at all? I thought it was just a fun club who children who enjoyed dance.

For all the children who got gold, there’s nothing special about it - pretty much everyone else got the same.

For DD, who’s the only one who didn’t get gold - she now feels she’s been personally singled out as the worst one there.

Seems like a losing situation all round to me.

Can only agree. I'd ask to see the teacher gently and enquire what the criteria were. I'm sure you aren't 'that mother' but I think you can ask. DD would like to know how to improve...etc

sugarapplelane · 14/07/2024 09:47

KillerTomato7 · 14/07/2024 05:15

We can’t all be winners. But if someone thinks it’s a good idea to make nearly every child a winner and single out one to be the loser, then they shouldn’t be working with children.

Yes, but the Op says she doesn’t know this for sure. Her Daughter says that “all” got gold, but we all know about the famous “all” that comes from kids mouths.

You don’t put 2 and 2 together, make 5, then start a thread about how cross you are without knowing the facts for sure.

Trytobegood22 · 14/07/2024 08:10

dancschmance · 12/07/2024 17:53

I can praise effort and control how I respond to the situation in front of DD (which I am doing) and still feel that the teacher’s approach was unreasonable and unnecessary, though.

But OP (maybe you have already reached out to the school, apologies if you have) you need to find out what happened first. A friend of mine went ballistic after being told by her DD ‘everyone’ had had something at school only to find out they hadn’t. That might not be the case with your DD but you need to know firsts. I struggle with these sorts of posts because when they are written parents often haven’t gone and clued themselves up. They listen to their child and react with half of what’s potentially happened.

tiggergoesbounce · 14/07/2024 08:08

On a little side note, we teach our son to take school accreditations with a pinch of salt, as they are often not handed out for the reason you think or expect, so we yell him knows he has done it or completed something then he has achieved it, so be proud of yourself.

tiggergoesbounce · 14/07/2024 08:06

Obviously, it's ridiculous to be "grading" kids when you had no idea this was happening in an afterschool club. Absolutely, if you sign her up for a dance school or music lessons , she will be ready for being picked or not or achieving the next grade or not, but a class she really enjoyed and thought was great, to then be unexpectedly be told you didn't make the grade is completely different.

I do probably think though that it was her little group of friends who got gold so she felt like everyone did, I'm sure no teacher would just single one child out, but I would be asking (politely as you did) what the criteria for gold was as you weren't aware it was graded before hand to prep her.

Commonsense22 · 14/07/2024 07:50

As mentioned by another poster, the issue is that the criteria was not clear upfront.
You can't give gradings and pass them as generic judgements on the child. If the child knows ahead of time that x y z have to be achieved it's a different matter.

Workaholic99 · 14/07/2024 07:40

Wouldn't it just be a participation award if everyone got gold which makes it meaningless anyway.

LadyPenelope68 · 14/07/2024 07:33

This exactly. If it’s a grading scheme and she hasn’t reached the right level, then they can’t just give it her because everyone else HAS reached that level. Don’t be ridiculous

Loubelle70 · 14/07/2024 06:43

DoAClassicCamel · 14/07/2024 06:40

It was, she got silver. It’s not like she didn’t get anything. And the OP even said her DD is uncoordinated and not the best dancer.

Oh...i skipped that bit. She got an award thats good!

DoAClassicCamel · 14/07/2024 06:40

Zita60 · 14/07/2024 06:27

The OP said her daughter had worked really hard. I think in a club like that, effort should be rewarded.

It was, she got silver. It’s not like she didn’t get anything. And the OP even said her DD is uncoordinated and not the best dancer.

Loubelle70 · 14/07/2024 06:36

I think OP getting a bad rap. I think its crap she didn't at least get an award if not gold. It encourages kids if they get something. I see this a lot these days. I am more awarding kids for showing up and trying rather than competitiveness and being the top.

rainbowstardrops · 14/07/2024 06:35

I also wonder if your daughter was the only child to not get a gold but that's beside the point really.
You were led to believe that it was a fun after school dance activity, not a graded dance exam. Fine to give each child a 'congratulations' achievement award for their attendance and enthusiasm or whatever but not gold, silver, bronze bollocks.
I'd be interested to know the teacher's explanation and reasoning.

Zita60 · 14/07/2024 06:34

UKsounding · 12/07/2024 17:36

As a mother of a kid who was involved in a subjectively scored sport (figure skating/ice dance) for many years, you have got to re-think how you react to coloured shiny stickers or bits of plastic with your daughter. It is best if you simply don't react to it and certainly minimise the whole thing.
Praise your daughter for effort rather than achievement - every week, not just at the end of term. It started at your daughter's age - when my dd came in from, in our case skating, I would say "best effort?" and she would usually respond with "nothing left on the ice!" which is a Canadian ice hockey saying when team gives a game 100% and we would leave it at that. It didn't immediately matter about what went well or badly or what a coach said about anything.

When she competed, we had the same exchange, and when the scores came up they really didn't matter because she had given it her best effort and was happy with herself - that is what was/is important. She is at university now, doing a really challenging, competitive course, and she will still ring me to tell me she had an exam and left nothing on the ice. She is coaching little ones, and I often hear her ask a little one who fell again whether it was her best effort?, exchange a high-five and set her up to try again. It makes me smile.

TLDR; If we want our kids to stick things out and try again, we have to teach them to not judge themselves based on the opinions or achievements of others, but on whether they had given it their best effort and to be willing to pick themselves up and go again. The way your dd sees you react to her silver award teaches her how to deal with the disappointments that inevitably are to come in life. Focus on HER efforts and HER victories and don't engage with what others get and she won't either.

Wise advice.

I’ve read that it’s much more effective to praise a child for effort rather than achievement. It seems it encourages them to keep trying. It’s certainly worked with your daughter, who is still working hard, and getting good results.

Praising a child for doing well can apparently cause them to fear that they won’t do as well the next time, and their parent will be disappointed. But if they know that they simply have to give their best, they gain confidence.

MrHarleyQuin · 14/07/2024 06:33

Justsaynonow · 13/07/2024 22:26

High 5 from another long time fs parent, though mine did singles👋.You sound like one of the rare 'normal' ones. I used to keep the Hallmark commercial in mind - the mother gave her daughter 2 cards to open after her skate, one for if she did well and one for if she didn't - they both said the same thing. basically, I love you, I'm proud of you. I spoke at several seminars re parenting high level athletes and saw an eye-full from rink level.

Mine have all come out the other end of their competitive careers as well rounded high achieving adults. Two are now involved in judging/ts'ing. One coaches in his evenings after his real work as he enjoys it (and wants to add some positive perspective for the skaters he co-coaches, but that's another story). One is still scarred by things her coach said. All say they're glad they learned to stick with something, and to win and lose, something rarely experienced by their cohort in school.

Our current competitive levels have entry categories where skaters of similar levels perform for a judging panel and are graded against standards, not each other. Those standards are labelled gold, silver and bronze. So it is possible for all skaters or none to get gold - and they know what they need to do to get better results.

While the dance class may not have such obvious evaluation tools, all of the many classes my kids took had some form of eval at the end, even soccer camps, and it wasn't usually announced ahead of time. The levels of achievement definitely should have been explained to the class participants.

But why can't they do things without being evaluated all the time, just for fun? Particulatly an after school class where they are just trying out different sports or activities for fun, not to take it up professionally in the future or become regional champion.

I don't get graded in yoga, running or going to the gym. Why subject children to this? We need to encourage life long mass participation in physical activity, it shouldn't only be about elite athletes.

And I say that as someone with a DD who is a very good competitive dancer.

Workoutinthepark · 14/07/2024 06:33

I'd bet money on the likelihood that every single other kid in the class didn't, in fact, all get Gold.

Just contact the after school club and ask!