Lifetime driving bans?

Agree, courts seem afraid to ban people forever.

Just do it.
Why do they deserve to drive again after taking lives.

The issue we have is that the roads are an 'open' system.

If we could try to control whose on it that would have significant benefits beyond banned drivers and make it much harder for offenders to move around.

The figure was that about 10% of vehicles have 'document issues' ie no tax/mot/drivers licences and about 25% of the occupants of those vehicles are wanted by the police so its a 'target rich' environment for the police

I don't disagree with your post but I would worry that lengthy bans would lead to more uninsured drivers and risk takers on the roads.

Lifetime ban and prison for a speed like that, but I think this country needs to be tougher with laws altogether, I like the death penalty brought back for certain things.

I think the current laws are sufficient.

Some people forget that making something illegal doesn't stop people from doing it.

I mean, burglary is illegal, so what's the point in alarms or locking our doors?
Oh yeh. Because people still do it.

You win the thread! 😂

He's was banned for 20 years as he was sentenced to 18 years in prison.

I agree. Those poor pilots who were killed by the lorry driver- he shouldn't be allowed to drive again!

A lot of cars are now keyless ignition. They rely on a chip being present in the car to start... you don't have to be in the driver seat.

So a passenger with an implanted chip that blocks this signal (somehow), could no longer get taxis, get a lift from anyone etc. Maybe even get on a bus, or be picked up in a ambulance or police car.

That is batshit.

So?
Skype them.

Nah, you've not thought that through at all.

Aa long as there’s alcohol and drugs in the world, and as long as there’s foolish people indulging themselves, there will tragic consequences.
And therein lies the rub.

Not from me.
If you have no driving license, you can still get around via public transport/favours.
Say you have family abroad... confiscating passports would have a huge detrimental affect. You would not be able to fly out in case there is an emergency.
And I know people will come back and say you should have thought of that before you did xyz... but we are all one simple reckless mistake away from being a criminal.

You have not really thought that through... it would mean they could never be a passenger in any car too. And implanting a chip is a medical procedure. And no criminal is subject to being forced to have one regardless of what they have done.

AFAIK in Victoria (Australia) if your car is used by someone else who plays the fool with it while you woint get it crushed first time you will have to have a discussion with The Police about how you are going to stop other drivers playing the fool with it in future

I wish there were more lifetime bans.

A friend of my daughter's was left severely brain damaged and paralysed by a lorry driver who drove into her family's car at about 60mph when they had just pulled in on the hard shoulder. He will be able to drive again in a few years' time.

Car drivers are not always car owners. I'd be pretty peeved if my car was nicked and then got crushed because the thief was done for speeding.

Passports wouldn't work. My parents drove for decades, but didn't have passports. It might be more unusual these days not to have a passport, but it's certainly not unknown.

This thread has made me ponder whether I was lied to.
I went out with a bloke via online dating after my divorce. After I had been seeing him for a while he told me he had a five year driving ban plus 120 hours of community service because he had fallen asleep at the wheel and wrote his car off on a motorway. He said he had been working very long hours with no rest and the police used his work records to prove he would have been unfit to drive. No drink or drugs involved and nobody hurt or any other vehicle involved.
Reading this thread has made me think that considering the pathetically short bans and limited punishments given for actually hurting other people by dangeous/ reckless driving this bloke seems to have got a fairly hefty sentence so makes me wonder if he was telling me the full truth.

I would support a lower limit. I would also test many parents on the school run as I think some would fail a lower limit.

Easy enough for there to be a banning list and now you have to give advance passenger information much easier to enforce.

I don't think the passport thing would work. So many people carry or are Eligible to carry two passports.

I'd vote for this!

The fact that people can evade driving bans by claiming hardship makes me furious. Driving should be treated as a privilege, not a right, and if you need your licence to deliver groceries to your parents (as that arsehole Ian Brown claimed) or whatever, its up to you to keep it, not the general public to have to put up with your shit and dangerous behaviour.

I suggest that because the UK was the first country to have a blood alcohol limit we have one that is higher than most.

Given the changes in both what we now know about the affects of alcohol and the advances in testing technology iy is time to revisit it.