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What are your true thoughts re this violent incident?

242 replies

Poiboi · 12/07/2024 15:55

A woman finds out her fiance has cheated. In her anger she throws an object at the fiance - causing a split lip.

What are your honest thoughts on this violence.

I am neither person mentioned. I have witnessed surprising reactions to this ‘incident’ though. Shocked me tbh.

OP posts:
Biggleslefae · 12/07/2024 17:43

She assaulted him, that's illegal.
Sex between consenting adults isnt illegal, he has committed no crime.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 12/07/2024 17:42

LizFromMotherland · 12/07/2024 17:39

To suggest that I’d ever be violent to my (now grown up) children is insulting.

Oh well, that's something violent people have to live with when they throw photo frames out of temper 🤷‍♀️

Bloody hell. That is a spectacularly insensitive response to that particular poster, given what she shared.

@Anonym00se You weren't violent to your partner. Destroying property may be wrong, but it's not in the same league as actual violence towards someone. There is nothing in your story to suggest you are a danger to anyone.

BeyondMyWits · 12/07/2024 17:40

It is not normal or OK to throw things at people.

Lucky it was just a split lip... could lose an eye or worse. Infidelity is wrong, but not an excuse for assault.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 12/07/2024 17:40

Sweden99 · 12/07/2024 17:33

Things have improved a lot in the last decade or two.

I'm old enough to remember well before 10-20 years ago!

And no - throwing objects at your partner was not considered normal then.

LizFromMotherland · 12/07/2024 17:39

Anonym00se · 12/07/2024 17:01

Lets hope she never has kids in the future who make her angry, or an elderly relative.

My cheating narcissistic ExH abused me for years, turned my family against me, and when I told them of my suspicions that he was cheating they (my family and ExH) said I was paranoid and delusional and had me sectioned. Once I was released I suffered a further four years of constant gaslighting, psychological torture, sexual abuse, humiliation, isolation and financial abuse before I discovered the that he’d been having an affair for five years. I immediately ran out of the house and smashed his beloved bike (bicycle that is, not the OW) to pieces with a garden fork.

Yes, I lost control. I accepted responsibility and borrowed money to replace the bike, but in that couple of minutes I felt anger like I’ve never experienced before or since. I’m generally a very calm person.

To suggest that I’d ever be violent to my (now grown up) children is insulting. I’ve never laid a finger on them, and very rarely raised my voice. In a moment of trauma we react very differently to how we’d react by merely being ‘angered’. OP can claim that the offender was in a happy relationship - outsiders would have said the same about me. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

To suggest that I’d ever be violent to my (now grown up) children is insulting.

Oh well, that's something violent people have to live with when they throw photo frames out of temper 🤷‍♀️

Kovus · 12/07/2024 17:38

If this happened in Brazil, the cheater deserved it.

In the UK, it is not acceptable but understandable.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 12/07/2024 17:35

Beezknees · 12/07/2024 17:28

It wasn't OK 10-20 years ago. Sorry but if you think this is normal and most people have done it that is worrying. It's not normal.

I agree. My mum used to throw things at my dad when she was in a rage (she had 'anger management issues'). That was well over 20 years ago, and I knew it was wrong even as a child. And it was no less damaging to see a woman do it than to to see a man do it.

It has never been normal or okay to throw objects at your partner (although in some of the cases described upthread, it may well be understandable). If someone has been exposed to lots of relationships like this, or if they're in a relationship like this, I hope they don't tell themselves it's normal, because it's not.

Sweden99 · 12/07/2024 17:33

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 12/07/2024 17:19

It was not considered okay 10 or 20 years ago! Especially not over something as trivial as a "bad mood".

You've obviously witnessed a lot of very unhealthy relationships if you think it was ever normal.

Things have improved a lot in the last decade or two.

Woodchiponthewall · 12/07/2024 17:33

Is anyone else reading some of these posts absolutely aghast? ‘Violent abuse’, ‘domestic violence’, ‘worry about her future children’. What batshit responses. To liken a brief moment of rage in a woman who probably had the most traumatic few minutes of her life to sustained violence against women just minimises the suffering that some women experience at the hands of abusive men. It’s not the same and you know it. Honestly, people suggesting he ring the police?? That he could have died?? What nonsense. His behaviour was far worse, not even in the same ballpark.

Roosnoodles · 12/07/2024 17:32

I wouldn’t be that judgemental to be honest. When someone’s attacked they lash out. It’s a fight or flight response. An emotional attack is no different to a physical one.

DanielGault · 12/07/2024 17:29

FlamingGalar · 12/07/2024 17:21

I would imagine the pain this woman felt when confronted with the news that her finance, the man she loved and planned to build a family and life with, who had betrayed her in the worst of ways, was tantamount to intense emotional violence. Her physically violent reaction was not acceptable, but an intense emotional outburst in the face of intense emotional pain isn’t wholly unusual and I refuse to judge her as harshly as some of the posters on this thread. People can behave entirely out of character under these highly emotionally charged circumstances. Mitigating circumstances wouldn’t exist in law if this wasn’t widely recognised as being the case.

I don’t condone her behaviour, but I reserve most of my contempt for him.

I'm sorry but no. Her emotional pain, as bad as it was, does not entitle her to physically abuse someone. I bet you wouldn't say the same for a man in the same situation. You get screwed over in love, you gather yourself and your stuff, and you don't look back. You don't start throwing shit.

Beezknees · 12/07/2024 17:28

Sweden99 · 12/07/2024 17:11

It is wrong.
That said, I am doubtful that most on this thread have not thrown things at a partner because they were in a bad mood. Certainly 10-20 years OK when it was considered more OK.

It wasn't OK 10-20 years ago. Sorry but if you think this is normal and most people have done it that is worrying. It's not normal.

Donotneedit · 12/07/2024 17:27

I was in a relationship with somebody I absolutely trusted who cheated on me to an extravagant degree. if I’d known what he was up to, there’s no way, I would’ve continued having sex with him, so he fucked me for five years by tricking me, that’s not consent.

I’ve been sexually assaulted and dealt with a whole array of abusive behaviour from various different men in my life over the years, so I feel I can talk about this nuance- I always wonder about infidelity, for me it was an absolute sexual violation, whether you think it’s reasonable to say it’s rape or not- I think it’s extremely abusive to trick somebody else into having sex with you and that’s why people flip out so badly when they find out

AquaLeader · 12/07/2024 17:26

Oldermum84 · 12/07/2024 16:31

What he did was a lot worse.

Though it depends what she threw... A feather? A knife?

Everyone can answer "it's assault" "violence is worse" blah blah blah but I bet more than half of them have thrown something in anger (though probably had worse aim).

Violent people always find an excuse for violence.

gotmyknickersinatwist · 12/07/2024 17:21

OP are you the cheatee?

FlamingGalar · 12/07/2024 17:21

I would imagine the pain this woman felt when confronted with the news that her finance, the man she loved and planned to build a family and life with, who had betrayed her in the worst of ways, was tantamount to intense emotional violence. Her physically violent reaction was not acceptable, but an intense emotional outburst in the face of intense emotional pain isn’t wholly unusual and I refuse to judge her as harshly as some of the posters on this thread. People can behave entirely out of character under these highly emotionally charged circumstances. Mitigating circumstances wouldn’t exist in law if this wasn’t widely recognised as being the case.

I don’t condone her behaviour, but I reserve most of my contempt for him.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 12/07/2024 17:19

Sweden99 · 12/07/2024 17:11

It is wrong.
That said, I am doubtful that most on this thread have not thrown things at a partner because they were in a bad mood. Certainly 10-20 years OK when it was considered more OK.

It was not considered okay 10 or 20 years ago! Especially not over something as trivial as a "bad mood".

You've obviously witnessed a lot of very unhealthy relationships if you think it was ever normal.

ginasevern · 12/07/2024 17:16

Earole · 12/07/2024 16:27

It may have been a knee jerk reaction but it's still wrong.

I absolutely agree and I most certainly didn't say it was right nor was I trying to justify my action. I was 59 years old at the time and in all those years had never displayed the slightest tendency towards physical anger. However, the shock of my husband's sudden announcement and the fact that he stood there cruelly taunting me had that momentary effect on me.

DanielGault · 12/07/2024 17:14

Anonym00se · 12/07/2024 17:01

Lets hope she never has kids in the future who make her angry, or an elderly relative.

My cheating narcissistic ExH abused me for years, turned my family against me, and when I told them of my suspicions that he was cheating they (my family and ExH) said I was paranoid and delusional and had me sectioned. Once I was released I suffered a further four years of constant gaslighting, psychological torture, sexual abuse, humiliation, isolation and financial abuse before I discovered the that he’d been having an affair for five years. I immediately ran out of the house and smashed his beloved bike (bicycle that is, not the OW) to pieces with a garden fork.

Yes, I lost control. I accepted responsibility and borrowed money to replace the bike, but in that couple of minutes I felt anger like I’ve never experienced before or since. I’m generally a very calm person.

To suggest that I’d ever be violent to my (now grown up) children is insulting. I’ve never laid a finger on them, and very rarely raised my voice. In a moment of trauma we react very differently to how we’d react by merely being ‘angered’. OP can claim that the offender was in a happy relationship - outsiders would have said the same about me. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

I think it's fair to say your case is particularly difficult.

DanielGault · 12/07/2024 17:11

paidbythejob · 12/07/2024 16:59

To be honest, I'd probably have wanted to throw something at the jerk, too. I don't think I would have, but I also wouldn't shed any tears over his split lip. He couldn't control his impulse to cheat; she couldn't control her impulse to lash out in reaction. I don't think it's fair to equate this with systematic abusive behaviour. Just my opinion.

Edited

Christ almighty. If a man was saying that he'd be destroyed and rightly so. Do you physically assault everyone you come across in life who lets you down?

Sweden99 · 12/07/2024 17:11

It is wrong.
That said, I am doubtful that most on this thread have not thrown things at a partner because they were in a bad mood. Certainly 10-20 years OK when it was considered more OK.

GalileoHumpkins · 12/07/2024 17:08

Poiboi · 12/07/2024 16:06

If it makes a difference she is sorry and didn’t really expect to hit him due to poor aim

No it doesn't make a difference that she's sorry. Why would it?

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 12/07/2024 17:05

LizFromMotherland · 12/07/2024 16:45

Apparently it's different because women can't throw as hard as men, even though you can still kill someone with an object lightly thrown to the head, if it hits in a certain place.

But you know....men/Mumsnet etc.

Bollocks. No one should throw anything.
Pointing out men are more likely to cause a serious injury than women isn’t prejudice against men nor is it saying it’s ok if it’s a woman.

BowlOfNoodles · 12/07/2024 17:04

I'm trying not to judge tbf I think the majority of people are capable of a moment of madness if doesn't mean they've been awful all their life's or will continue to be.

Fairyliz · 12/07/2024 17:03

I have been in exactly this situation; cheated on by my fiancé a few weeks before our wedding and yes I threw something. I wasn’t trying to hurt or hit him but had a huge woosh of emotion to let out.
Despite being a terrible person according to MN, I have managed to live for the next 40 years without ever resorting to violence or even a raised voice with my husband and three children.
Think the cheating twat deserved it.