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To be annoyed I gave up my seat on train

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NameChangedJune · 12/07/2024 00:34

4 hour journey, late train so pretty empty carriage, most seats unreserved.
i take a seat on an empty table of 4 which has a laptop charger.

before train moves, a family get on (there are loads of empty twin seats but no empty table), but say they are a group of 3 and a baby them, do I mind moving from the table so they can have the table to lie the baby on?! They say they have reserved the seats but the seats themselves say unreserved. I see they have a small baby so say fine and close my laptop and move to a twin seat (now have no table or laptop charger).

the three adults (couple and I assume grandparent), and baby sit on the table. Baby doesn’t settle so after a few mins mum takes baby to another free twin seat to feed and they both settle to sleep there. The father then move to another empty double seat nearby and sleeps. This leaves the sleeping grandparent taking up the entire table with feet up on the seat opposite (plus a few baby bits/scattered about).

AIBU to now be annoyed I gave up the table and the chance to catch up on work as the other tables don’t have power sockets?

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Runnerduck34 · 18/07/2024 13:47

It would have annoyed me too, you did the kind thing and it's clear they didn't really need the table.
I think waking up single person remaining on table for 4 and saying as they no longer need the space you need it back so you can charge, laptop, meet a deadline would have been fine- if no other tables or chargers were available, equally saying no I'm sorry I need to work in first instance would have been fine.

I had similar type of situation last week at a village fete at tea tent elderly couple with walking sticks came over and asked if our 2 empty chairs were taken , I said they were actually for my husband and daughter who were in the queue but said do take them if you need to sit down - they then carried seats to a large family group of adults and children and proceeded to go round collecting chairs from other tables so their whole family group young and old had a seat!! Clearly counting on sympathy card to get people to give up chairs, very cheeky !

As they say no good deed goes unpunished😂

AnnieSnap · 18/07/2024 10:54

I would have moved back anyway 🤷‍♀️

Ilovecleaning · 17/07/2024 19:08

I am now 70+. I have learned not to do favours like this any more. You can’t blame the people you made the sacrifice for. You can only blame yourself. Chalk it up to experience and don’t do it again.

Poddledoddle · 16/07/2024 20:29

I'm so confused. Lay the baby on the table??

hopscotcher · 16/07/2024 11:21

Yeah I'd have found that annoying. One of those things!

Summertimer · 16/07/2024 11:10

Those trains with chargers only at seats with tables are unacceptable. They encourage this kind of behaviour. We had booked seats on a train and found a family with small children in our seats. They claimed someone was in their seats. As 2 adults and a teen we would have felt mean making them move, but in retrospect it was obvious they were only in our seats because they wanted to connect the kids devices.

Benjilassi · 16/07/2024 11:04

Isthisexpected · 12/07/2024 01:01

Bloody hell a mum and baby are sleeping on a train at midnight I certainly wouldn't be worried about charging my laptop. I'd assume something is happening in their lives to be travelling at this hour with a baby. They're not exactly living the dream right now. Wanting to sit together and hopefully get some rest whilst baby sleeps was fair enough and obviously didn't pan out.

Or it could be that the Mum is pretty sure the baby will sleep on the train so it's a good time to take a long journey. I'd much rather do midnight-4am with a sleeping baby (and Mum dozed off as well...bonus) than midday to 4pm with grizzly pants.

I think you did a nice thing OP. Maybe the family had envisaged that they would all sit together and things just didn't work out that way.

Taxbreak · 16/07/2024 10:48

@NameChangedJune Sadly, it only takes people getting their own way once or twice to give some a lifelong sense of entitlement in public spaces.
I think the unsaid subtext of Rishi's laughable National Service proposal was a desire to have people learn some manners and live in a civilised manner.
I need to use long-distance trains a lot and some travellers (rich, poor, all races and creeds) are antisocial scum.
Descending to their level is not the solution - however tempting it may be sometimes.

SleepingStandingUp · 16/07/2024 10:45

mitogoshi · 16/07/2024 08:31

If you look at the twin seats, some have plugs too. Taking a table of 4 when you are just one person never seems right to me anyway.

Op wasn't suggesting the three people couldn't sit there, it's that they expressly asked for the table alone

SleepingStandingUp · 16/07/2024 10:44

You did a nice thing. Whether they used it how you wanted to or not, you were kind on the moment. Leave it there.

Thewheelweavesasthewheelwills · 16/07/2024 10:44

I don't think the family sound entitled at all. They asked if they could have the table so they could sit together. I am guessing they had the intention of sitting together for the journey. The OP agreed. Then baby wouldn't settle so the mum moved off. The dad changed his mind and moved too, so the GPs got comfy - shouldn't have put feet up.

I am really surprised that was the only place with a socket in the whole carriage. I haven't commuted for a few years now but there used to be loads of the ones I used to take. But if that is the case just say no in future that you need the socket.

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 10:40

Did people know that putting your feet on the seat opposite is illegal and can get a fine? Merseyrail have a very robust policy on this but any train company can enforce the byelaw ( "No person shall molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience of any person on the railway."), and it doesn't matter whether the shoes are on or off. Could be £50 at first, although one woman got a £483 total Mags court bill because she ignored the initial penalty notice, failed to engage, and it went to court.

JudgeJ · 16/07/2024 10:27

AGoingConcern · 12/07/2024 03:05

The family sound massively 'but we've got a baaaaaayyybeee' entitled types

Or maybe they just saw a single person at the only large table and had no idea that none of the other tables had a power socket OP needed.

Then why did they subsequently occupy so many other double seats in the carriage? If someone had asked the grandparent to move their feet from the opposite seat so their party could be seated together, I can imagine the reaction! It all comes down to an over-inflated view of self with the added bonus ball of having the mini Messiah, because no-one has ever travelled with a baby have they?
At least the OP will know better next time!

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 10:06

@Alltheunreadbooks

I don't want to end up being penned in by a family

I got penned in once by a woman, a toddler, and an 8 year old girl all the way from Waterloo to Basingstoke. By the time they got off, I felt I'd known them all my life. They are still good friends.

celadora · 16/07/2024 09:59

Marchitectmummy · 16/07/2024 09:18

Yep I agree with this. So many times 4 seats are taken by a single person.

Both chargers and tables can normally be found on two seats.

They're not taking the entire table, you are free to sit there too.

Saying single travellers don't deserve the plum seats is discrminatory. It's not up to single people to put families above themselves.

FangsForTheMemory · 16/07/2024 09:58

mitogoshi · 16/07/2024 08:31

If you look at the twin seats, some have plugs too. Taking a table of 4 when you are just one person never seems right to me anyway.

One person doesn’t ’take’ a table of four. They sit at one seat. People who think that travelling as a group gives them the right to expect others to move so that the group can sit together, now that is unreasonable.

TinkerTiger · 16/07/2024 09:57

Spirallingdownwards · 16/07/2024 08:40

I am guessing you either don't work or never have to travel while working. Also with ticketing and network rail card being digital I often need to charge my phone too if I have been out all day to be able to show these to the railway staff or get through!

I have no qualms about sitting at a table with 4 seats if I need to use the table and the charger. 4 singles can and often sit together.

I do work with a laptop, but it’s plugged in charging whilst using.

I don’t think the OP needed to move at all, I was merely commenting on the idea that this work needed to be done (and so late in the day as well), that they weren’t prepared for it and charged it up first; there’s always a chance that there wouldn’t be any tables/charge points available.

And the mobile phone doesn’t apply as that’s not the point of this post. A lot more people use mobile phones, so there’s a greater chance of more people needing them and there just wouldn’t be enough sockets to charge them anyway. Which is why I (and many others) also carry charging banks 😉

TonTonMacoute · 16/07/2024 09:57

NameChangedJune · 12/07/2024 00:40

Because I would have had to wake one of them up to access a seat with power - they all have fell asleep straight away after moving.

Tough! They're on public transport, not at home in bed.

MarkWithaC · 16/07/2024 09:56

I'd have gone back to the table and plugged in my laptop. If they woke up, 'Sorry to wake you. I need to charge this.' and carry on.
They sound thoughtless and entitled.

Lurkingandlearning · 16/07/2024 09:28

BePinkPanda · 12/07/2024 00:36

It’s just a seat

It was a seat a table and a charger point

KrisAkabusi · 16/07/2024 09:26

Yep I agree with this. So many times 4 seats are taken by a single person.

No. A single person can only take one seat. I can't understand how anyone can think that, at the very least, seats on the other side of the table are not fair game.

BeachRide · 16/07/2024 09:25

Sorry, OP, you reminded me of this!

To be annoyed I gave up my seat on train
CutthroatDruTheViolent · 16/07/2024 09:23

NameChangedJune · 12/07/2024 00:40

Because I would have had to wake one of them up to access a seat with power - they all have fell asleep straight away after moving.

How short is your charging cable that it wouldn't have reached to the aisle seat?

I mean, YANBU - but you were hindered by your own reluctance to move. I would have. I mean I wouldn't have, because I'll be damned if I'm working on the train, but if I needed to I would have moved.

Putting · 16/07/2024 09:21

Marchitectmummy · 16/07/2024 09:18

Yep I agree with this. So many times 4 seats are taken by a single person.

Both chargers and tables can normally be found on two seats.

The tables on 2 seats tend to be the fold-down types which are nowhere near as good for working.

I never choose a table when travelling on my own if I don’t need the laptop - I don’t really like sitting opposite strangers - but it’s perfectly reasonable for one person to sit in a seat there and take up 1/4 of the table space.

Werweisswohin · 16/07/2024 09:21

Marchitectmummy · 16/07/2024 09:18

Yep I agree with this. So many times 4 seats are taken by a single person.

Both chargers and tables can normally be found on two seats.

One person sitting at a table isn't them taking anything - they're still only occupying one seat.