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aspiringyetshite · 11/07/2024 23:06

I'm working on a novel plotted around a woman who joins a socialist paramilitary group in an United Kingdom engulfed in unrest and lawlessness.

On the day of the dictatorial Prime Minister's assasination, she finds her comrade (I'll call her K, and her dead comrade I) shot outside in front of the barracks, with a swastika painted on the front door in her blood.

The bullet is very quickly traced to an Oswald Moseley style fascist (who I'll call P for this post's purposes) angry at K for stopping a massive car bombing during the Civil war.

Instead of killing K, he goes after her comrade I mainly to do mental harm to/break K, as he sees a broken, terrified K who will betray the cause as the end goal.

However, K quickly learns P is the uncle of J, a young teen sent by his mother to a New Red Army boot camp to 'toughen up'.

K volunteers at the boot camp with only one end goal - getting close to J's family to avenge I.

However when a massive attack is planned on that very boot camp, K must defend the children, herself and her comrades with her life, and her goal takes a complete turn.

This book would be targeted towards 12-16 year olds, have no sexual content (relationships such as marriage or boyfriend-girlfriend are existent, but only with two of K's comrades having a marriage and K herself falling in love with A, another female soldier, however the romance only exists to show K's attitude towards those she feels obliged to protect, even in her current mental state, and the relationship is largely platonic - nothing more than a peck on the cheek and discussions of future marriage)

It would however have quite a bit of violence, with K's end goal being the death of P, and a few scenes more.

I unfortunately think so far it a bit glamorises K - I'm doing my best to portray her as a fallible human being but my mind is far too obsessed with K to massacre her personality.

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Nephthys21 · 12/07/2024 17:42

Your description made me think of Tomorrow when the war began - aimed at a similar age group and also has violence and death, with a female narrator.

Though it sounds like it might fit a bit more with 'new adult' age groups than young adult?

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 12/07/2024 17:30

I struggled to follow your plot outline... and the lesbian bit you mentioned in a later post sounds bizarre and out of place. (Although I must admit that I get fed up of any gay film for teenagers being aimed squarely at boys.)

As others have said, the characters are too old for audience. Why not just write the book and worry about the audience later?

mewkins · 12/07/2024 15:06

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 14:19

Thanks!

What sort of books does she like?

She loves all sorts...mysteries, murders, adventure etc. She loved the Hunger Games... if there is an element of something to solve, it will capture her attention.

greenpolarbear · 12/07/2024 14:45

I don't really think it would be interesting to teens, they like that kind of plot in more of an apocalypse or fantasy setting and with characters their own age. Prime Ministers are a bit too real, more of a James Bond audience so much older.

Eadfrith · 12/07/2024 14:45

That being said if it’s a sapphic thing then it already has its own selling point. What about putting it on Wattpad? Big sapphic fic scene over there.

missmollygreen · 12/07/2024 14:42

aspiringyetshite · 11/07/2024 23:21

It's mainly aimed at teenage girls who want to read about badass women but still want some lesbian representation Grin

It's also written by a woman Grin

Sounds pretty niche!
Good luck though

Eadfrith · 12/07/2024 14:41

Your description IMO is hard to follow. Is it a dystopia? Where’s the coming of age element? Where’s the character arc?

From the description you’ve offered, it might be suited better as an adult crime thriller / dystopian novel rather than for young adult. But maybe I’ve just not caught the gist of it. Any excerpts ?

QuestionableMouse · 12/07/2024 14:35

Just write the thing then worry about it. The best laid plot will develop with writing and editing so worrying too much about it now is silly imo.

DinosaurWhizz · 12/07/2024 14:35

I think it sounds interesting. I am not a teenager though so not at all the target audience! Whether it's any good would depend on the character development. I hated violence as a teenager and still do. I think that's unusual though.

DanielGault · 12/07/2024 14:25

Marblessolveeverything · 12/07/2024 14:24

With respect it's there because the audience is there. At that age tolerance and exploration is really high. I remember being fascinated by serial killers and my now 16 is too.

It's the age I think when we really pull apart nature v nurture.

Something to look forward to so (mum of 12 y/o) 😂

Marblessolveeverything · 12/07/2024 14:24

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 13:04

Deffo am writing detail in - just no gore along the lines of someone being disemboweled or raped - I've seen far too much of that in 'Young Adult' books.

With respect it's there because the audience is there. At that age tolerance and exploration is really high. I remember being fascinated by serial killers and my now 16 is too.

It's the age I think when we really pull apart nature v nurture.

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 14:19

mewkins · 12/07/2024 14:17

I think my dd 14 would read it.

Thanks!

What sort of books does she like?

mewkins · 12/07/2024 14:17

I think my dd 14 would read it.

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 13:04

Marblessolveeverything · 11/07/2024 23:37

The plot is too convoluted and the age of your character will be an issue. 21 to your intended audience is ‘ancient’.

If you are writing violence and anarchy write detail. The audience will want authenticity's.

But the context of the above may alienate your wider audience. Most want some element of relationship they are beyond the age of consent.

At that age I read Stephen King alongside Mills and boon so eclectic readers are there.

Deffo am writing detail in - just no gore along the lines of someone being disemboweled or raped - I've seen far too much of that in 'Young Adult' books.

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 13:02

TwinklyNight · 12/07/2024 05:29

No, sorry. It sounds violent.

I'm trying to keep it at game of thrones level - I mainly think it's not such a violent book - it has some disturbing undertones however IMO.

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 12:45

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 12:44

@OPforgotherpassword plot spoiler 😂
(seriously.....I do like the sound of it)

Thanks XD

Hopefully some day in the not so distant future you pick up a book that looks interesting, and get deja vu Grin

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 12:44

@OPforgotherpassword plot spoiler 😂
(seriously.....I do like the sound of it)

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 12:44

I was trying to work out an ending in which P ends up dead - not killed by K though - that would be far too boring and end up never really developing K's character, and K now at peace with I's death leaves military life, and has a form of happy ending. Grin

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 12:40

happybluefern · 12/07/2024 12:15

To me it all sound pretty par for the course for YA fiction so the problem I would anticipate is making it distinctive. Doesn’t seem too convoluted to me. How does it end?

It ends with P and his little gang of terrorists laying dynamite at the foundation of the barracks used for the boot camp.

K learns of this planned attack from J, and manages to evacuate the children.

She then goes into the basement, locking P in there.

When she realises J run back into the barracks, hoping to stop P, she runs in, saves him, by lowering him through a window, in which she cannot fit herself, as the building collapses, and she is presumed dead.

The barracks collapsed with the rubble 'tenting' above two foundations.

This effectively saved her, and she manages to crawl out.

Battered and bruised, she goes to the nearest New Red Army barracks, and is patched up.

She is later on awarded multiple medals for the saving of the children, which she feels she does not 'deserve' - as her only reason to even be at the boot camp was to get close to J - giving her the opportunity to finish off P.

She goes to visit I's grave, laying the Order Of Personal Courage awarded to her for saving the children on the grave of I who taught her everything she knew, and gave her the courage to run in and save J.

Now living as a civilian, K turns on the television in her house, seeing an announcement that the conspirators in the bombing will be executed by firing squad later that day.

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 12:18

Pandadunks · 12/07/2024 12:09

Your characters age is fine for YA - she’ll need to be at least 18 for US audiences if there’s a romance/suggested sexual element anyway but your books sounds as if it’ll be at the 15/16 readers age rather than the 12/13 age anyway.
Some 12 year olds read adult books,
some are still reading Diary of a Wimpy Kid - it’s a huge range.

That's what I'm aiming for - her marriage which will eventually become very important can't be done unless she's 18 or older.

There won't be any sex at all - I don't really think her character will develop from that and she's in a terrible state regarding trusting others - the only reason she marries A is because they know each other from the early days of the revolution.

Her marriage then ends up to be a terrible idea - as she keeps on panicking and worrying about P killing A just to torment her.

happybluefern · 12/07/2024 12:17

most reminds me of How I Live Now in terms of setting

happybluefern · 12/07/2024 12:15

To me it all sound pretty par for the course for YA fiction so the problem I would anticipate is making it distinctive. Doesn’t seem too convoluted to me. How does it end?

OPforgotherpassword · 12/07/2024 12:10

Pandadunks · 12/07/2024 12:02

Depends on the level of violence and how graphic it is - look atbThe Hunger Games. If you described that plot to someone it would seem horrifically violent.

My advice would be - write it. If your writing and story are good enough and you get an agent and/or editor then they will guide you to making it appropriate to YA level.

You will get away more with violence that swearing or sex ( even consensual sex) which I think is a bit rubbish but that’s the way it is.

I'm doing my best to avoid any sex regardless - It's not a romance in any way.

Pandadunks · 12/07/2024 12:09

Your characters age is fine for YA - she’ll need to be at least 18 for US audiences if there’s a romance/suggested sexual element anyway but your books sounds as if it’ll be at the 15/16 readers age rather than the 12/13 age anyway.
Some 12 year olds read adult books,
some are still reading Diary of a Wimpy Kid - it’s a huge range.

Needmorelego · 12/07/2024 12:08

I quite like the sound of it.
I like a bit of alternative society/dystopia.