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First Labour f up

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G123456789 · 11/07/2024 19:36

The BBC are reporting that there are Labour mps calling for the new government to scrap the limit of 2 children on child benefit

I'm working class and have family members who have had, 7, 5 and several 4 kids. Neither parent worked and the fact that each child got benefit encouraged them to have more, even though they really could not afford it.

so Labour mps want to encourage people who struggle, and those who don't actually, to have more kids...with the impact on the state, housing in the future and the environment..discuss

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ClawedUkelele · 11/07/2024 21:34

Pre-election, Starmer said that they would not be able to afford to scrap the cap. That still appears to be the government's position.

Also pre-election, Suella Braverman was calling for the cap to be scrapped - didn't hear many Conservatives objecting then?

Either way, longer term I do think we should scrap the cap and otherwise make having larger families more affordable - either people in the UK start having larger families or we we'll need to have more immigration, increasing year on year-on-year, which isn't exactly politically popular.

That's only one part of the puzzle, though. We probably also need to improve paternity leave too, so that having children does not disproportionately disadvantage women's careers.

Teentaxidriver · 11/07/2024 21:33

LadyKenya · 11/07/2024 21:30

Really, have you got a link that you can post here? I am interested to know what you have read to make a statement like that.

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Health outcomes for immigrants tend to be worse than indigenous population with the attendant financial
implications.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/07/2024 21:33

Well I’m sure those who are working and having to limit how many children they have because they can’t afford more will just have to work harder, so that they can pay for those who fancy having 3 4 5 or more children and not paying for their own children.

Kneidlach · 11/07/2024 21:32

When the worst thing you can think of to say about a government is that they’re taking action to decrease the number of children who are living in desperate poverty I think you really need to have a long hard think about your attitudes and empathy.

Teentaxidriver · 11/07/2024 21:32

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/07/2024 20:40

But fortunately they are in power for the next 5 years.

So your horror stories are just laughable. I mean how can anyone be worse than what we’ve had.

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Well, Labour are likely to inflict power cuts or, at the very least, rationing of electricity. Decarbonise the grid, shut down North Sea oil and gas, import electricity from France or depend on unreliable renewables. With that fuckwwit Ed Tombstone Milliband in charge. What could go wrong? As well as being a treacherous, he is monumentally stupid.

Skodacool · 11/07/2024 21:31

SundayTulips · 11/07/2024 19:52

I’d describe this as a difference of opinion on policy, not a fuck up!

This

FineandDandie · 11/07/2024 21:31

Fuck off, OP.

DanielGault · 11/07/2024 21:31

All the ones lamenting labour here, you do realise they're in the job a wet week yeah? So the sorry state of the country/ social welfare lies solely in the laps of the Tories. You might give Labour at least a month before you start laying blame. Just to look even slightly credible ya know?

LadyKenya · 11/07/2024 21:30

Ponoka7 · 11/07/2024 20:47

We ended that with Brexit. The migrants that now come from the commonwealth are immigrants and want 2+ children themselves and often aren't healthy.

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Really, have you got a link that you can post here? I am interested to know what you have read to make a statement like that.

Nameaftermyheart · 11/07/2024 21:28

You must be sadistic if you’d prefer children to stay in poverty.

Bigbirthdaygal · 11/07/2024 21:27

Haha yep I'm sure all the mums of more than 2 children did it for an extra twenty quid a week. FFS.

ThistleWitch · 11/07/2024 21:27

Discuss?

Yeah sure mate, those thousands you get a week for popping out sprogs well worth innit, got my Sky, my land rover, my holidays etc

Teentaxidriver · 11/07/2024 21:26

Saranegsie · 11/07/2024 19:55

This was bound to happen in the interest of their biggest supporters. They all have 2+ kids. There will be more changes made to our laws just to please them :(

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Need to keep their clients happy. Tip of the iceberg.

CheshireCat1 · 11/07/2024 21:26

There’s nothing to discuss.

MeinKraft · 11/07/2024 21:25

dottiehens · 11/07/2024 21:18

All going according to what I expected. This is not the first fuck up but one that will affect where the raises in tax will go. People would pay more taxes to have NHS and services but it will go to policies like this.
This is Labour in a nutshell.

Yeah absolutely disgusting to give struggling families a bit more money so they can afford things like baby milk and food Confused

Mulhollandmagoo · 11/07/2024 21:25

I love that people think £20 odd per week is the reason why people have a child!

cansu · 11/07/2024 21:23

Depends if you think caring about children living in poverty is a f up or not.

Collexifon · 11/07/2024 21:21

Noone has children just to get the 16 quid a week child benefit. Behave.

L1ttledrummergirl · 11/07/2024 21:20

Isitsixoclockalready · 11/07/2024 21:09

Noticeable that the OP chucks a poorly thought out/researched post in there, invites everyone to 'discuss' and disappears.

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Op hasn't disappeared judging from all the deletions. They just don't like the replies.

I still think they sound judgemental, unsympathetic and ill informed. Shame they don't want to discuss the issue in more depth.

dottiehens · 11/07/2024 21:18

All going according to what I expected. This is not the first fuck up but one that will affect where the raises in tax will go. People would pay more taxes to have NHS and services but it will go to policies like this.
This is Labour in a nutshell.

DanielGault · 11/07/2024 21:18

Demonhunter · 11/07/2024 21:12

I concur, it's like being back at Uni when they set you a group project with a statement and then state "discuss"

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Well quite. Like your teacher telling you to 'discuss' while they nip out for a wee or a snack or something. If it is a real person rather than a wee bot, they must be terribly annoying in real life (discuss).

ReversedFerret · 11/07/2024 21:18

How is it a "fuck up"? If it's because individual backbench MPs are publicly calling for something that's not official Labour policy, I think that's OK. Party policies that restrict members (and/or elected officials) to discussing everything behind closed doors in order to present a united front to the public hasn't been working well either (see: SNP).

That said, though, the logical response to people abusing a benefit is to crack down on the abuse, not the benefit itself.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 11/07/2024 21:17

So you’d rather kids who didn’t ask to be born go without. I certainly hope and I expect Labour to make changes otherwise what was the point of voting out the Tories if they’re just 2 cheeks of the same arse.

UnbelievableLie · 11/07/2024 21:14

Stop feeding the bot people 🙄

WeightofExpectation · 11/07/2024 21:13

Hardly a fuck up.

Getting fined for flouting your own lockdown rules, that’s a fuck up.

Delivering a fiscal statement so bad that it crashed the economy overnight, that’s also a fuck up.

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