First Labour f up

If they are going to do this, they better fund it by taxing the 1%. Otherwise, if they just leave the very wealthy alone and tax the middle classes, it won't matter what size their majority was last time, they'll be a one-term government and then out of power for another couple of decades.

People who are skint will continue to have multiple children, regardless of how benefits are calculated.

It's not some poor kid's fault that his parents had 5 kids before him and don't work. I will never take issue with my taxes being spent on keeping children out of poverty.

Agree

No one hates benefit cheats more than people on low incomes. I lived next door to a girl who was just like Vicky Pollard. She had three kids and didn’t work. The kids were loud, rude, and totally out of control. They lived on benefits and just did whatever they liked. If they felt like playing music at 2 am, they played music at 2am, and we all tiptoed around them. Because that’s what happens with these ‘problem families’. They enjoy themselves and do whatever they like, and everybody else has to accommodate them. Her brother ended up living there and would wake us all up in his ‘boy racer’ car, with its screeching, crackling exhaust. Frankly, I think it amused them to upset people. And there I was, like a mug, getting up at six in the morning to work so I could fund their life!!

It’s perfectly reasonable to say to someone who doesn’t work but has raised two kids on benefits that if you have a third we, as a society, are not prepared to pay for it. And most people would definitely support cutting the benefits of those whose kids ruin the neighbourhood. In fact, some people should be discouraged from having kids full stop. It’s ridiculous that we allow violent, ignorant, abusive people, with no moral compass, to raise children. Society pays a terrible, terrible price. I have known two different people driven to suicide attempts by violent, feral neighbours.

Except that new oil licences haven't been banned. The events took place entirely in the imagination of a Telegraph reporter. https://www.cityam.com/government-denies-ed-miliband-has-banned-new-north-sea-oil-licences/

Plus, almost all North Sea oil is exported, because it's a different (higher!) quality to many other forms of crude oil.

Plus, oil is almost completely fungible. The UK has never been self-sufficient. Extracting oil from the North Sea is essentially a source of revenue, not of energy.

Plus, even if they did ban new drilling licences, this would take time to work through the system.

Hopefully, one of the advantages of a large majority and a government led by adults, who are not afraid to listen to actual subject matter experts, will mean that we can get away from "bloke in the pub" politics, after 10 or more years of "how hard can it be?" being the extent of downside risk assessment.

Let's get rid of the high income child Benefit cap too. It would make my life easier (and my husband earns ok)

Even if you don’t find it immoral that in a (relatively) wealthy country there are thousands of children living in poverty, financially penalising families for having more than two children fails to take into account that by doing so, you are simply increasing the costs further down the line. There’s plenty of research backing this up.

Personally I did not have children until I could afford them and I am supportive of the current cap. As parents we need to take responsbility. Where one parent passes away I have more sympathy, but generally I am afraid I see some very irresponsible behaviour with the cost being moved to the tax payer.

Loving the assumption that extra money will go toward the children!

Because it makes people feel like shit. It grinds them down and singles them out. All because they happen to be poor at a particular time. It would not inspire people to 'do better', it would make them feel like lesser citizens that should disappear into the shadows with their vouchers and never be seen again. It's a crappy, demeaning system.

It’s right up there with asking for recommendations followed by …. “And go” 😵‍💫🤦🏼‍♀️

It's not child benefit. It's the additional hundreds of pounds a month from universal credit.

It's not fuck up, it's an excellent decision (if they actually go ahead) that I'd be completely in support of. The 2 child limit harms children. And it doesn't stop people from having children. Just pushes children into poverty.

I can’t imagine many people having extra children just to get the Child Benefit. The old rules clearly didn’t stop your relatives producing more than two children.

Less children will be in poverty if the money is actually spent on food…. There is no guarantee on this, and this is why no matter how much money you give people there will always be some children in poverty.

What will end up happening?

Less children will be in poverty?
More children will have breakfast in the morning because there is food in the cupboard?
Maybe those kids will get better grades..
Have better life long health outcomes
Have better futures..
Earn more as adults and therefore pay more tax..

See where I'm going with this?
Best case scenario, it's an investment
Worst case scenario, less kids in poverty

Where is the problem with this?

And also the fact that there's no plan for the 30,000 (and rising) failed asylum seekers...

Seems we've got a young to aged deficit so it's a good thing to form policies to encorage the native/indigenous population to procreate.

Will only work if there's a parallel skilling up, education and opportunity for these pensioner-proppers to get jobs that earn enough to follow through. Otherwise it's just another 'pyramid scheme' that will inevitably tumble.

The current bunch in Govt appear to mean 'business' so I'm giving them a year or so to see what stuff they actually do.

OP this is not a limit of child benefit. It’s a limit on universal credit. The vast majority of people affected by this are working full time (most of them in 2 parent families). This is shameful. Not because people are having too many children but because two parents can work full time but not be able to support their family.

The shame is attached to employers and a society in which two adults working full time cannot support their children.

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Give them vouchers then. But no, they are 'demeaning' or the like, only cash will do.

I pay a lot of tax. I want it to go to help people who have made good decisions but bad things have happened to through no fault of their own, not those who have made stupid decisions, think that having as many children as they want is some kind of human right, or worse, not even thought about it at all.

It's quite simple.

Don't have enough money to support three children? Don't have three children.
Can't cope if you have three children and one of you loses your job? Don't have three children.
Can't cope if you have three children and one of you gets ill? Don't have three children.
Can't cope if you have three children with a shit partner who walks out on you? Don't have three children (or pick a shit partner).

And no, we don't need more children to prop up the failing ponzi scheme that is capitalism and which will inevitably crumble regardless, as all pyramid schemes eventually do.

Plus it's relative poverty.

@G123456789 Mumsnet needs a better class of bot, discuss?😊

Of course not everyone is spending their money on drink and fags, but you can’t deny some people do not spend their money on the kids - I have seen this first hand - families with large disposable incomes and chronic addictions , so the kids get nothing. I am all for supporting families, but I honestly don’t know why this has to be done in cash. You can easily give families vouchers for food and clothing and this would help.
I don’t know why any help not given in cash is so frowned apon.

Bore off

It’s just the beginning of what will end up happening….