First Labour f up

Presumably they had them before it was capped?

I’m a teacher and one dad that stuck in my mind was jobless, on benefits and up in arms when the cap was introduced yet his young daughter, who was never adequately dressed etc, could describe the latest video game her dad had bought when it had just come out. So sad.

As opposed to all the Conservative policies that were implemented just to please millionaires and billionaires.

I'm pro two child cap, we couldn't afford three DC so didn't have three. The state shouldn't have to pay.

Imagine a politicians calling for something that would lift a million children out of poverty. It's almost like the new governing party has some members with a heart.

OP f’d up and won’t be back. Discuss.

We get child benefit for three kids because twins. It's £20 per week.

If you think £20 comes within a hundred miles of paying the costs to raise a child, let alone incentivising having more, you are more cracked than a cracked egg in a Japanese tea-egg factory.

@G123456789 If we'd posted like this about tory f-ups when they were in power, we wouldnt have posted anything else!

And in any case it's not a done deal so it's not a f-up is it?

This is the most sensible statement on this thread, well said @Worried500

If life on benefits is as rosy and fun packed as you paint it, then why not give up your job and spend your days (as well as the shmucks' money) drinking, shagging and smoking your days away. I was on benefits when my child was pre-school, and guess what? it was horrible, I was skint, I was stressed, I was cold and I went hungry.

Oh and not forgetting the ‘rape clause’ 🤢🤢

Surely that ALONE is enough for the limit to be abolished?

Just grim

I can’t get mad about this. A lot of families who claimed ‘tax credits’ for a third child were in full-time work! Often both parents working.

Some women have been faced with the choice to either terminate an unplanned pregnancy or push their family into poverty.

I think it’s interesting that abortion rate has risen and the birth rate has gone down significantly since the policy was introduced

i only have 2 children but don’t begrudge other children not having to live in poverty

This is a good thing. All the child protection families I work with have 4+ kids. Having another child just when you'll be asked to look for work after the last one is a real phenomenton, and they aren't well looked after.

How on earth is it a fuck up? It hasn’t yet passed, and Starmer has said it is currently unaffordable. So … ?

These posts to invent digs at Labour are getting really tiresome.

Why is calling for something to change a "fuck up"? It does not mean that this policy will be scrapped. All it means is that some people in the Labour party disagree with it. This was being voiced before the election, in fact it has been a subject of controversy since it was introduced.

They want everyone to rely on the government like a slave

This.

There have been, and always will be, parents who are shit. I don't think there is a way of governmenting them out of it. Without years and years of education anyway. In the interim, the children should be lifted out of that trap, insofar as is possible. I don't know what the answer is.

Have you actually looked at the voting figures? “Will of the people”. 🤣

First of many.

Another one is Wes going back to Lord Darzi (known as Lord Khazi by all in the medical profession) who has a track record of failure with these big reports......

As so many other posters have said - but for those who jump to the wrong conclusion - CHILD BENEFIT IS PAID FOR ALL CHILDREN UNLESS THE INCOME OF THE FAMILY IS TOO HIGH.
Going forward from 2018 - the extra money for children born after that year is subject to a cap but only for those on UC.

I don't think removing the cap is a fuck yo because as posters have pointed out, people don't have babies "to make money".

But I also don't think it's the magical answer I ending child poverty that some posters seem to think it is.

There are children in poverty who have parents trying their best and working their hardest but due to circumstances (eg single mums, NMW being a bit shit ti name a few) they struggle to make ends meet, absolutely lifting the cap will help these parents and go a ways to raise those children out of poverty.

But there are also children in poverty because let's face it, their parents are scumbags and don't have their children's interests as priority. Giving those parents more money won't raise the children out of poverty because if you think feeding and clothing the children is what they'll spend it on then you're living in a fantasy land.

Labour were indeed first up in many constituencies last week as they clearly had the most popular manifesto of all the UK political parties.

The will of the people is quite clear, and we should now all support them in implementing that.

I think that's actually slightly worse tbf.

Not to mention, in all likelihood those parents won't be the most educated and might just make bad decisions. It's the way it goes until education can permeate. It takes generations. Certainly not the children's fault.