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First Labour f up

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G123456789 · 11/07/2024 19:36

The BBC are reporting that there are Labour mps calling for the new government to scrap the limit of 2 children on child benefit

I'm working class and have family members who have had, 7, 5 and several 4 kids. Neither parent worked and the fact that each child got benefit encouraged them to have more, even though they really could not afford it.

so Labour mps want to encourage people who struggle, and those who don't actually, to have more kids...with the impact on the state, housing in the future and the environment..discuss

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ghostyslovesheets · 11/07/2024 20:15

FeatherBoas · 11/07/2024 20:10

We don't want to encourage people who can't support them to have more children. Have as many as you like if you can support them and if you're not worried about over populating the planet.

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So only the rich should have large families?

Shit happens, people get pregnant, adults make dumb choices sometimes BUT children suffer - by the way it applies to CB, UC and CTC - a lot of those are paid to working families - who maybe could afford their 3 kids before the cost of living crisis.

ssd · 11/07/2024 20:15

Berga · 11/07/2024 19:54

Are you working class OP or a late to the party bot?

I'd go with the later

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/07/2024 20:15

So explain to me how attempting to lift children out of poverty is a fuck up?

Because l just don’t understand. They’ve only been in power 6 days..

ARichtGoodDram · 11/07/2024 20:15

G123456789 · 11/07/2024 19:36

The BBC are reporting that there are Labour mps calling for the new government to scrap the limit of 2 children on child benefit

I'm working class and have family members who have had, 7, 5 and several 4 kids. Neither parent worked and the fact that each child got benefit encouraged them to have more, even though they really could not afford it.

so Labour mps want to encourage people who struggle, and those who don't actually, to have more kids...with the impact on the state, housing in the future and the environment..discuss

That says a lot about the quality of BBc reporting then as there is no 2 child limit on child benefit.

ilovesooty · 11/07/2024 20:13

SundayTulips · 11/07/2024 19:52

I’d describe this as a difference of opinion on policy, not a fuck up!

So would I
Of course there are going to be MPs who'd like the 2 child cap removed. It's been made clear that it's not a fiscally viable option at the moment
It's not a f up.

ghostyslovesheets · 11/07/2024 20:13

Not sure if you missed the election but it was raised repeatedly - in questions from the public and by a range of charities including Gingerbread and CPAG

Lots of people feel it should be scrapped - it impacts on 1 in 10 children and if scrapped would lift half a million out of poverty.

I support it's scrapping - seeing it's impact daily on the families I work with in children's social care.

I would cost less to do than Mr Sunak's National Service plan

ByCupidStunt · 11/07/2024 20:13

FeatherBoas · 11/07/2024 20:10

We don't want to encourage people who can't support them to have more children. Have as many as you like if you can support them and if you're not worried about over populating the planet.

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Do you keep yourself well informed about current affairs? I don't think over-populating the planet is a problem.

FeatherBoas · 11/07/2024 20:10

We don't want to encourage people who can't support them to have more children. Have as many as you like if you can support them and if you're not worried about over populating the planet.

DdraigGoch · 11/07/2024 20:10

DanielGault · 11/07/2024 19:50

There's something particularly irritating about people who end a post with 'discuss'.

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Indeed, I'm not a schoolkid and I won't write an essay on command.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 11/07/2024 20:09

Last time we had a labour government they lifted hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty, it would be amazing if we could do that and reverse some of the damage that has been done by the last government.

As you say yourself OP, the cap in child benefits hasn't stopped your family having more kids, so what is the point in punishing them.

DanielGault · 11/07/2024 20:08

Moonshiners · 11/07/2024 20:06

What does working class mean? Discuss

I would, but I'm down't mines guv

TheOneWithUnagi · 11/07/2024 20:08

One again, it isn't child benefit that has a 2 child cap. It's related to UC and similar benefits.

Moonshiners · 11/07/2024 20:07

Antsinmypantsneedtodance · 11/07/2024 20:01

If you think this is the first labour fuck up, YABU. Announcing they want to release a load of prisoners to me was a bigger fuck up.

Removing the cap on child benefit is the least of our problems in this country if you ask me.

What else are they going to do? There's only a few spaces left thanks to years of mismanagement.

ByCupidStunt · 11/07/2024 20:07

MyMauveBiscuit · 11/07/2024 20:03

Erm, a more favourable environment for young, fit migrants who contribute more than they take out of the system

And generous benefits don’t equal population growth

Look at Sweden. Their birth rate is basically the same as ours for all of their family friendly policies.

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See also Russia. Russian women get the equivalent of 2 years salary as a bonus from the government for every 2nd or subsequent child and they still have one of the lowest birthrates in the world.

No, i'm not buying that women have babies for the money, sorry. That said, I still things child benefit should be universal, not means tested.

TheOneWithUnagi · 11/07/2024 20:07

fieldsofbutterflies · 11/07/2024 20:01

Why should children be forced to live in poverty because of the choices made by their parents?

Yes this - the cap has had no demonstrable impact on family size but has had a huge impact on poverty, including families where parents are in work. It's a cruel policy.

Worried500 · 11/07/2024 20:06

Sirzy · 11/07/2024 19:54

A lot of people who work around child poverty have been calling for this to happen for a while though.

I can see both sides of the argument to a degree but overall don’t think a policy change to help prevent children from starving is a fuck up!

Maybe we need to look at more innovative ways to help children, I know way too many parents who smoke, drink and do drugs, then use foodbanks and moan about benefits and no money, perhaps we need to look at giving some of the UC and CB to the schools to run breakfast clubs and evening child care and meals. with the savings of reducing money to parents then the schools for much less could easily provide three meals a day cheaper and even run programs to provide free child supervision for working families, you would only need a few quid removed from each child to fund a teacher in school to be available for the additional hours and the cost to introduce CB back to all kids could be easily used instead to buy the food for those three meals, then ALL kids would be getting enough food regardless of parental choice, I live in flats with three bad mums, they would not look after their kids properly even if you gave them £2000 a week.

Moonshiners · 11/07/2024 20:06

What does working class mean? Discuss

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 11/07/2024 20:04

I'm sorry - what?

You know that child benefit is £16.95 a week* *for children after the first child?

Are you saying that you had relatives that had extra kids so they could get less than 20 quid a week for them???

I am not buying that.

MyMauveBiscuit · 11/07/2024 20:03

Ponoka7 · 11/07/2024 20:01

What is your solution to the falling birth rate and child poverty? What do you think that spending should be directed towards?

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Erm, a more favourable environment for young, fit migrants who contribute more than they take out of the system

And generous benefits don’t equal population growth

Look at Sweden. Their birth rate is basically the same as ours for all of their family friendly policies.

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 11/07/2024 20:02

Which limit on child benefit? You can get it for an many children as you have

Antsinmypantsneedtodance · 11/07/2024 20:01

If you think this is the first labour fuck up, YABU. Announcing they want to release a load of prisoners to me was a bigger fuck up.

Removing the cap on child benefit is the least of our problems in this country if you ask me.

Ponoka7 · 11/07/2024 20:01

Saranegsie · 11/07/2024 19:55

This was bound to happen in the interest of their biggest supporters. They all have 2+ kids. There will be more changes made to our laws just to please them :(

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What is your solution to the falling birth rate and child poverty? What do you think that spending should be directed towards?

fieldsofbutterflies · 11/07/2024 20:01

Why should children be forced to live in poverty because of the choices made by their parents?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/07/2024 20:01

Well we have a declining population. Dont we need more children?

I hope they do reintroduce it. The Tories were grinches.

CatrionaBalfour · 11/07/2024 19:59

Exactly, @Ponoka7

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