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First Labour f up

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G123456789 · 11/07/2024 19:36

The BBC are reporting that there are Labour mps calling for the new government to scrap the limit of 2 children on child benefit

I'm working class and have family members who have had, 7, 5 and several 4 kids. Neither parent worked and the fact that each child got benefit encouraged them to have more, even though they really could not afford it.

so Labour mps want to encourage people who struggle, and those who don't actually, to have more kids...with the impact on the state, housing in the future and the environment..discuss

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V1mt0 · 11/07/2024 20:30

ByCupidStunt · 11/07/2024 20:26

Yes but only the bare minimum they have to.

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So you are saying anybody who works and gets benefits is doing the bare minimum. Do you have links for that?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/07/2024 20:29

AzureAnt · 11/07/2024 20:29

I have had hard times but what I didn't do was bring more children into the world when I had no money to support them

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How superior of you.

CatrionaBalfour · 11/07/2024 20:29

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/07/2024 20:24

Child benefit is capped at 2 children. It was a Tory flagship policy.

I think you are allowed more if the child is a product of rape.

How kind.

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Those Tories. All heart.

Mrsjayy · 11/07/2024 20:29

G123456789 · 11/07/2024 19:36

The BBC are reporting that there are Labour mps calling for the new government to scrap the limit of 2 children on child benefit

I'm working class and have family members who have had, 7, 5 and several 4 kids. Neither parent worked and the fact that each child got benefit encouraged them to have more, even though they really could not afford it.

so Labour mps want to encourage people who struggle, and those who don't actually, to have more kids...with the impact on the state, housing in the future and the environment..discuss

What do you want existing children to be in further poverty? How much is CB these days anyway I can't imagine it's a lot .people often have kids regardless the "cap" hasn't stopped bigger families.

AzureAnt · 11/07/2024 20:29

DanielGault · 11/07/2024 20:24

Let's hope you never fall on hard times.

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I have had hard times but what I didn't do was bring more children into the world when I had no money to support them

L1ttledrummergirl · 11/07/2024 20:28

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HarloCourt · 11/07/2024 20:28

Antsinmypantsneedtodance · 11/07/2024 20:01

If you think this is the first labour fuck up, YABU. Announcing they want to release a load of prisoners to me was a bigger fuck up.

Removing the cap on child benefit is the least of our problems in this country if you ask me.

And that is to try and address another Tory mess…discuss @G123456789

Trinity65 · 11/07/2024 20:27

DanielGault · 11/07/2024 19:50

There's something particularly irritating about people who end a post with 'discuss'.

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Ikr

ByCupidStunt · 11/07/2024 20:26

MotherFeministWoman · 11/07/2024 20:26

Lots of people on benefits work.

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Yes but only the bare minimum they have to.

MotherFeministWoman · 11/07/2024 20:26

AzureAnt · 11/07/2024 20:23

Sure, keep the already bloated welfare state getting even bigger. Why bother getting off your arse and working to feed and clothe your kids when some other gormless fucker ie: the British tax payer can pay for it

Lots of people on benefits work.

DanielGault · 11/07/2024 20:24

AzureAnt · 11/07/2024 20:23

Sure, keep the already bloated welfare state getting even bigger. Why bother getting off your arse and working to feed and clothe your kids when some other gormless fucker ie: the British tax payer can pay for it

Let's hope you never fall on hard times.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/07/2024 20:24

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 11/07/2024 20:17

It's not a cap on child benefit, child benefit can be claimed for all children.

It's something to do with universal credit. But I'm not sure of the amounts.

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Child benefit is capped at 2 children. It was a Tory flagship policy.

I think you are allowed more if the child is a product of rape.

How kind.

AzureAnt · 11/07/2024 20:23

Sure, keep the already bloated welfare state getting even bigger. Why bother getting off your arse and working to feed and clothe your kids when some other gormless fucker ie: the British tax payer can pay for it

NeverDropYourMooncup · 11/07/2024 20:22

Peterbeardwy · 11/07/2024 19:53

Did they all have fancy mobiles and sky tv too op ? ?!

Don't forget the multiple AI holidays, free car and not-a-CRT-because-they-haven't-been-made-for-years TV.

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 11/07/2024 20:20

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 11/07/2024 20:17

It's not a cap on child benefit, child benefit can be claimed for all children.

It's something to do with universal credit. But I'm not sure of the amounts.

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Oh. Well you said child benefit in your OP.

Could you maybe come back when you have the facts of what you are actually asking? Because you don't seem to know what you are even asking, or you're at least not making it clear. Then we can give you accurate opinions

PoppyCherryDog · 11/07/2024 20:19

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 11/07/2024 19:58

What's the fuck up? Backbench MPs have called for something you don't agree with, and that there is no sign of the government actually doing?

This. When I watched Starmer’s first press interview this was asked and he very clearly said it wasn’t a priority to address this right now as he wanted to focus on some other things such as NhS and prisons first.

ghostyslovesheets · 11/07/2024 20:19

Hedgeoffressian · 11/07/2024 20:17

Children aren’t a right though are they? I would loved to have had a third but I didn’t because we couldn’t afford it.

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I did because we could - then when she was 4 month old my husband left me for another woman - as a working single parent TC's where a godsend -I wouldn't have been able to return to work without them.

bombaybicycle · 11/07/2024 20:19

Is the OP coming back for the rest of their article?

MotherFeministWoman · 11/07/2024 20:19

Hedgeoffressian · 11/07/2024 20:17

Children aren’t a right though are they? I would loved to have had a third but I didn’t because we couldn’t afford it.

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No they are not a right, but they have a right to be properly fed and housed and clothed.This is what the benifit cap takes away from them.

CatrionaBalfour · 11/07/2024 20:19

ghostyslovesheets · 11/07/2024 20:18

also define 'fuck up' ? Some MP's having an opinion? It's hardly the Covid PPE scandal or the Rwanda omnishambles is it?

To name but two!

ghostyslovesheets · 11/07/2024 20:18

also define 'fuck up' ? Some MP's having an opinion? It's hardly the Covid PPE scandal or the Rwanda omnishambles is it?

Worried500 · 11/07/2024 20:17

FeatherBoas · 11/07/2024 20:10

We don't want to encourage people who can't support them to have more children. Have as many as you like if you can support them and if you're not worried about over populating the planet.

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Its a little more complex than that, our birth rate is now only about 1.5, its needs to be 2 to keep the population level, and as the whole pension and economy is based on a pyramid scheme then we require an expanding population and not a reducing one, and as the majority of the UK wants less immigration then we need to encourage people to have more kids to increase our future work force and tax payer base, without two workers paying NI then there will be no state pension, in fact its worse than that, with the Tories halving NI technically it will now take 4 workers to cover someones pension payments.
Now if everyone agrees they do not want a state pension and they want to pay huge rises themselves to cover the national debt already accrued then we can shrink the population, but as that's not going to happen then we need more kids.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 11/07/2024 20:17

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 11/07/2024 20:04

I'm sorry - what?

You know that child benefit is £16.95 a week* *for children after the first child?

Are you saying that you had relatives that had extra kids so they could get less than 20 quid a week for them???

I am not buying that.

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It's not a cap on child benefit, child benefit can be claimed for all children.

It's something to do with universal credit. But I'm not sure of the amounts.

Hedgeoffressian · 11/07/2024 20:17

ghostyslovesheets · 11/07/2024 20:15

So only the rich should have large families?

Shit happens, people get pregnant, adults make dumb choices sometimes BUT children suffer - by the way it applies to CB, UC and CTC - a lot of those are paid to working families - who maybe could afford their 3 kids before the cost of living crisis.

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Children aren’t a right though are they? I would loved to have had a third but I didn’t because we couldn’t afford it.

Hedgeoffressian · 11/07/2024 20:15

Dont forget the 1.5 million houses to be built on green fields, and earlier release of prisoners.

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