First Labour f up

No I'm a working class kiddie from one of the most ignored, under privileged parts of Bristol who's worked hard and reaped the benefits, but is annoyed that the middle class guilt of lots of Labour supporters will lead to people having children with the expectation of the state paying for them.

I have family members who are down in the forth generation of unemployment, in an area which basically has had full employment for the last 30years...they feel they don't need to work as the state provides housing, money, health care and anything they need

There is a misunderstanding about this benefit cap .Child benefit itself is not capped .It's only the UC and Tax Credit Element that is capped and it is tailored to claimants circumstances to take account of high housing costs as outlined below .

This is from Martin Lewis .

There's no set amount you can earn before you stop getting Universal Credit – Because Universal Credit is tailored to your circumstances, there's no hard 'cut-off' point for eligibility. A single person living with their parents may only be able to earn up to £18,000 before they stop being eligible, whereas a single parent of two children, renting in an expensive city, may be able to earn up to £50,000 before they are no longer eligible.

This table shows the amounts you can claim up to each month, depending on your personal circumstances:

Outside London
London
Single
£1,229.42
£1,413.92
Single parent
£1,835.00
£2,110.25
Couple
£1,835.00
£2,110.

Can you explain what you mean by a Labour fuck up? Because the 7 Labour MPs who voted for the SNP amendment seeking to abolish the two child cap have had the whip suspended for six months.

Even if Labour do ultimately decide to abolish the two child cap, it’s not a fuck up simply because you don’t agree with it. Abolishing the cap would reduce child poverty by half a million. Not only is that a good in and of itself, it’s a cost effective way of tackling the issue of child poverty. The tiny minority of people who might have kids solely because of the child benefit they’ll receive are statistically irrelevant.

It’s not even debatable because it factually incorrect.

Immigration is net drain this country’s economy. It costs the people here already more than it adds to the economy.

I mean. This is debatable. And even so, you ignore any cultural or societal effects.

That isn’t what happens. Immigration tends to be fiscally positive.

The BBC are reporting that there are Labour mps calling for the new government to scrap the limit of 2 children on child benefit

I'm working class and have family members who have had, 7, 5 and several 4 kids. Neither parent worked and the fact that each child got benefit encouraged them to have more, even though they really could not afford it.

so Labour mps want to encourage people who struggle, and those who don't actually, to have more kids...with the impact on the state, housing in the future and the environment..discuss

Do you actually know what happened in parliament yesterday? You may want to look it up. The current government made the right call yesterday. Isn’t it great.

There's no point having workers come here who cost us more money.
That is financial destitution for a country.

There's no point having workers come here who cost us more money.
That is financial destitution for a country.

There's no point having workers come here who cost us more money.
That is financial destitution for a country.

Stop trying to be provocative with parroted insults. Do you not think teachers and carers contribute to society? What about nurses, who are also not net contributors? What they contribute is of value, and they are not fairly paid. They're effectively taking a pay cut to provide essential services, largely because they are mostly women. If you don't like the current government you can lump it, anyway. They're going to be here for a while. 😊

We need more workers but we don't want to pay for them! Oh no, migrants!

That's this country.

Meanwhile back in the real world, where stuff has to be paid for…..

Please put your Mickey Mouse calculator away, where everything can be paid for by warm and fuzzy platitudes. The adults still have to make the numbers balance so that the fantasists can have their freebies without the country turning into Venezuela.

Meanwhile back in the real world, where stuff has to be paid for…..

Please put your Mickey Mouse calculator away, where everything can be paid for by warm and fuzzy platitudes. The adults still have to make the numbers balance so that the fantasists can have their freebies without the country turning into Venezuela.

Being a net contributor isn't the be all and end all. People contribute to society in various ways. Carers for example are paid peanuts and would not be net contributors, but they contribute enormously to the functioning of society and people's quality of life. Teachers dont earn enough to be net contributors but they ensure people can read and write. One could argue that these people who aren't net contributors aren't actually being paid fairly, and that there is too much of a difference between the highest and lowest paid.

Sick of people banging on about 'taking more than they give' when the majority of people who are net contributors are being paid more than they deserve, and contribute very little to society besides bare money.

There was an MP last year (now an ex MP) extolling the idea that if we educated girls less they would be more likely to stay home and have babies. Perhaps that is something to pursue?

I mean, at the moment virtually no one is having children and that's a crisis in itself, primary schools are closing and we don't know who is going to pay tax in the future (at the moment the plan is immigrants).

This is a sign of things to come.

The welfare state will balloon even further, higher taxes, higher public spending.

It’s not like nu Labour didn’t already create a huge dependent class and Tories didn’t make it worse. Now we need this labour government to fi be ish the job.

Less than half the population are net contributors and living off other people. Yeah, let’s just take more money off the ever shrinking number of eh contributors and give to those who keep having kids without ever considering how to pay for them.

The confusion probably arises because the last 3 or 4 Prime Ministers have campaign on one manifesto and then mostly ignored that when they have been in office, flip flopping all over the place to appease different groups of their backbenchers.