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To judge my friend harshly for this?

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Chatteringmagpie7 · 11/07/2024 18:00

i recently found put that one of my friendship group is leaving her husband. We’re not massively close, but in same social circle. I’ve always liked her and we get on well.

a close mutual friend has just given me the full story- she has been having an affair with a married colleague and is now pregnant
with his kid.

her DH is devastated. It has only just come out.

I don’t want to be judgemental, but I can’t get my head round someone doing this. we are late 30’s, so not young. I can’t understand how she could let this happen.

as far as I know, AP has children.

Ive seen various affairs unfold over the years and to be fair, I tend to think that people in happy marriages don’t have affairs. I get that it’s hurtful, but I do think that most people are capable of having an affair given the right set of circumstances.

that said, I’m appalled at the way it has happened. If she wanted a future with this other man, why not just wait until they’re both free before having a baby?

im not convinced there are very many true ‘accidents’ these days. The morning after pill is widely available. It’s not the first time I’ve known of an affair come to light because of a pregnancy but why are people so stupid?

OP posts:
Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 20:22

XChrome · 11/07/2024 20:18

Get a vibrator FFS. If it's really about sexual satisfaction that's what people do.You did it for the ego boost and because you enjoy putting one over on your partner.
Stop lying to yourself.

Not true. I did not enjoy it to put one over on my partner..we are still together. I carry the guilt and shame every second of the day and ultimately I know it was selfish and I deeply regret it but at the time I was so desperate for some basic intimacy, human touch etc that my judgement was clouded and once it started it became difficult to stop.

StaunchMomma · 11/07/2024 20:22

I'd struggle not to think differently of her, OP.

The contraception issue wouldn't be a problem for me but the cheating would.

I cannot stand cheats.

If you're not happy, leave.

There's just no need.

LizzieBennett73 · 11/07/2024 20:20

I used to be in a close circle of friends via school and two of them got involved with an affair. It was absolutely horrific when they got caught out, and I honestly lost a lot of respect for both of them. There is no reason to cheat - if you're unhappy, get the hell out.

XChrome · 11/07/2024 20:18

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 19:59

Maybe I did not want to leave my partner? He has good qualities and is a great dad to our child. I cheated for the sexual satisfaction only.

Get a vibrator FFS. If it's really about sexual satisfaction that's what people do.You did it for the ego boost and because you enjoy putting one over on your partner.
Stop lying to yourself.

Aquamarine1029 · 11/07/2024 20:18

Sorry - I’ve yet to meet anyone who had an accidental pregnancy who diligently used contraception.

Hi, nice to meet you. I did, and I never missed a single dose of my pill, ever. I have a 27 year old walking around who is living proof that birth control fails.

XChrome · 11/07/2024 20:16

Chatteringmagpie7 · 11/07/2024 18:30

I’m not saying people are truly good or bad. You obviously haven’t read my post, so will repeat some of it here.

i even said I can see how affairs happen and that I think everyone is capable of one. But there’s a way of ending your marriage that doesn’t involve getting pregnant by another man. It’s so messy- and very poor judgement.

You're quite wrong. Lots of people are not capable of deception and betrayal.
That's about basic human decency.

Mulhollandmagoo · 11/07/2024 20:14

I wouldn't be able to see her the same either OP, I would definitely step back a bit from the friendship. Having an affair is just a really shitty thing to do.

How does she know the baby is her AP's and not her husbands?

XChrome · 11/07/2024 20:13

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 11/07/2024 18:25

I would see her different.

My thoughts are if she could lie and deceive her husband to this degree, she could definitely do it to a friend. So she wouldn’t be someone I wanted to be friends with anymore.

I also couldn’t do the whole meeting the new man pretending everything is wonderful.

Plus, if she could fuck a married man, she could fuck OP's husband or the husband of another person in the friend group. No way would I trust anyone with such little (if any) concern for the feelings of others.

XChrome · 11/07/2024 20:10

MikeRafone · 11/07/2024 18:04

I think you have to walk a mile in their shoes first before you can make judgements on others

So she has to cheat and lie to judge cheaters and liars? Make it make sense.

XChrome · 11/07/2024 20:08

user675654 · 11/07/2024 18:02

It’s none of your business. You don’t know all of the circumstances and unless you’re in a marriage you never really know what it’s like.

Oh, bullshit. She knows this woman cheated and lied and broke up two families.
There is nothing which justifies such vile conduct.

Everyoneesleistheproblem · 11/07/2024 20:08

I think the pregnant thing is separate morally to the cheating. Maybe she wanted another child before it was too late. Maybe he did. This could be a loved and wanted accident.

The cheating is shit though. You want to be with someone else then you finish with the one you are with, Preferably before it starts.

XChrome · 11/07/2024 20:07

Please do judge her as the nasty little homewrecker she is. This is appallingly unprincipled behaviour.
You're right to suspect she got pregnant on purpose, to get him to leave his wife.
IMO, this kind of behaviour is nothing short of sociopathic. People like her are called mate poachers, and there are proven links between mate poaching and sociopathy.
Get rid of this horrible person.
It's certainly not wrong to judge people for hurting others and behaving without honesty and integrity. In fact, you'd be foolish not to.

TruffleShuffles · 11/07/2024 20:05

My SIL came into our family in this exact way. She was married but had an affair with my BIL and became pregnant. He had children but was going through a messy divorce from his wife, I’m pretty sure the affair started way before the split and was the cause of it but they both deny it.

I knew her prior to all this and she’s never been anything other than pleasant to me but I will never have more than a superficial relationship with her as the whole thing just makes me not trust her. The situation has no bearing on me but I do judge her and my BIL and it’s always in the back of my mind.

WrittenInTheSand · 11/07/2024 20:04

Maybe I did not want to leave my partner? He has good qualities and is a great dad to our child. I cheated for the sexual satisfaction only.

How selfish. You wanted the best of both worlds without any inconvenience to you, yet made your partner live a lie without the full facts of the relationship he was in. He could still be a good dad if you split.

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 19:59

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 19:56

Why was it easier to cheat than end your marriage?

Maybe I did not want to leave my partner? He has good qualities and is a great dad to our child. I cheated for the sexual satisfaction only.

Scooterturns · 11/07/2024 19:56

Chatteringmagpie7 · 11/07/2024 19:38

This is getting a bit ridiculous….but it’s not a case of not listening to the views of others. I’m interested to see the range of views and fine if people disagree-
as I’ve pointed out I’m pretty conflicted about my feelings. I feel bad for judging- but can’t help it. I think it’s a pretty human ( and honest) response.

but to slag people off for judging on the most judgemental thread on MN, where you are actually making a rather harsh judgement on a person who is asking what you’d make of a certain scenario is mind boggling!

You started a thread inviting strangers to slag off your friend for not holding your morals or being as intelligent as you. You can't expect people not to point out the hypocrisy. I'm not claiming to be a wonderful person but that's my point. We all have flaws, life is not as black and white as some on here believe.

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 19:56

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 19:48

I never said that.
All I was saying was you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I never thought I would cheat, I've always been faithful and despised people who cheat until I find myself in such a situation. How can you judge someone on one choice they make for reasons you know nothing about. If you think that every single marriage or partnership is sunshine and rainbows and people don't stray them you are living on a different planet. The Ops friend doesn't need to explain herself to anyone other than people directly affected by the affair. A bunch of randos on MN making out she's the scum of the earth on very limited info is just absolutely ridiculous.

Why was it easier to cheat than end your marriage?

WrittenInTheSand · 11/07/2024 19:53

That's your opinion but have you been in such a situation? A miserable relationship?

Yes. I left. Then when I was ready, I started dating again.

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 19:48

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 11/07/2024 19:42

ah so cheating make the break up more simple does it?

I never said that.
All I was saying was you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I never thought I would cheat, I've always been faithful and despised people who cheat until I find myself in such a situation. How can you judge someone on one choice they make for reasons you know nothing about. If you think that every single marriage or partnership is sunshine and rainbows and people don't stray them you are living on a different planet. The Ops friend doesn't need to explain herself to anyone other than people directly affected by the affair. A bunch of randos on MN making out she's the scum of the earth on very limited info is just absolutely ridiculous.

PerkyMintDeer · 11/07/2024 19:48

I am the result of a contraception failure. Condoms and "menopause". Totally not wanted or planned by either parent, realised fairly late on, it was a terrible horrible shock but I was later welcomed. Accidents do genuinely happen.

At the moment everything is hearsay. My Dad had an affair but some idiot got the wrong end of the stick and told my Mum's work colleagues that SHE had the affair and she was ostracised for almost two years until someone kindly let her know about the false rumours and she was able to set the story straight. I was pointed out in a club once as "that bitch that stole Jake from Kelly", when actually it was the person stood next to me who was in a new relationship with Jake (no crossover either)...I was labelled as a "man-stealing whore" for about two months and my name was mud whilst I'd done absolutely nothing wrong. Eventually that same person and I were at a wedding, she came over to hit me (!) but called me "Rachel" and everyone said "that's Perky not Rachel!" and she realised her mistake after a lot of convincing that I was definitely not Rachel, then apologised profusely. Trouble is, almost 20 years later, the damage is still done as it still comes up from time to time and many people remember me as someone who broke up an engagement and who is not to be trusted. I was a virgin who had never had a boyfriend at the time!

I'd ask her outright to make sure that it's not malicious gossip but also to let her know why the friendship has cooled if she has done what she is rumoured to have done. "Friend - I am sorry to broach this but I was told that the reason for your divorce is because you have had an affair and you are pregnant with that man's child. Did they get that right?"

And then just listen to what she says. Hear her out. You can thank her for her honesty if it turns out to be true. If you feel brave enough, you could calmly explain that you wish her well but you'd find it hard to continue the friendship in the circumstances. Otherwise, just slow fade.

TomatoSandwiches · 11/07/2024 19:45

Do people's fannies work differently to mine?
Do others have some sort of mind control affect over their brains that make them jump on a different cock to activate the decision to finish the first relationship?

If so I'm so bloody sorry, you obviously got stiffed with that function at birth.

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 11/07/2024 19:42

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 19:39

It's so easy for people to say "just leave"
Sometimes it's not that simple.

ah so cheating make the break up more simple does it?

TomatoSandwiches · 11/07/2024 19:40

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 19:39

It's so easy for people to say "just leave"
Sometimes it's not that simple.

It actually is simple, you leave and start a new relationship or you stay and figure out your exit whilst NOT fucking other people.

It's really really that simple.

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 19:40

Chatteringmagpie7 · 11/07/2024 18:00

i recently found put that one of my friendship group is leaving her husband. We’re not massively close, but in same social circle. I’ve always liked her and we get on well.

a close mutual friend has just given me the full story- she has been having an affair with a married colleague and is now pregnant
with his kid.

her DH is devastated. It has only just come out.

I don’t want to be judgemental, but I can’t get my head round someone doing this. we are late 30’s, so not young. I can’t understand how she could let this happen.

as far as I know, AP has children.

Ive seen various affairs unfold over the years and to be fair, I tend to think that people in happy marriages don’t have affairs. I get that it’s hurtful, but I do think that most people are capable of having an affair given the right set of circumstances.

that said, I’m appalled at the way it has happened. If she wanted a future with this other man, why not just wait until they’re both free before having a baby?

im not convinced there are very many true ‘accidents’ these days. The morning after pill is widely available. It’s not the first time I’ve known of an affair come to light because of a pregnancy but why are people so stupid?

I'd be judging too. I'm always skeptical when people say they accidentally got pregnant. There's no accident about it, we all know how it happens and how to prevent it.

How often does a genuine accidental pregnancy occur?

As for the affair, again no excuse. End the marriage if you think there is better out there and go and find it rather than exploring the option behind your Husband or wife's back

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 19:39

TomatoSandwiches · 11/07/2024 19:39

If you are miserable you leave.

It's so easy for people to say "just leave"
Sometimes it's not that simple.