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To have taken my sisters cat to the vet and hope she will pay

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InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/07/2024 16:58

My sister has a 19 year old cat.
Cat has lived at our mums house for a couple of years because my sister has a younger cat and a child and felt the older cat would be happier at my mums house.

Cat has come to stay at my house as my mum has gone on holiday.
Cat is clearly not well - skin and bones, ravenous and thirsty but not putting on weight. I weighed her and she is just over 2kgs. Breathing heavily at times and unsteady on her feet.

I messaged my mum to say I think cat needs to go to vet, I’ve had no response for 3 days. she’s in the U.K., not abroad.

Phoned my sister who agreed I could take her to the vet.
Vet wanted to do blood panel due to suspected hyperthyroidism so I got the ok from sister by text (she is owner so needs to agree). Sisters response to the possible diagnosis was - ‘that sounds expensive’.

Results came back and cat has severe hyperthyroidism. Too weak for surgery so treatment is special diet and pills. I explained this to sister by text and response is “ok”.

I am on the way to pick up pills now. Sister hasn’t asked me how much any of this costs (£300 so far) so is possibly expecting me to pay for it? Not sure how to approach this?

My mothers response when I’ve previously suggested cat is ill and should go to the vets is “she’s just old”.

sisters response when I said cat may also have renal failure, just to warn her that outlook may not be good was “she’s super old I wouldn’t be surprised if she needs to be put down”.

its like they both just think oh she’s old, just let her die.

But she is really suffering with the hyperthyroidism as she eats and eats but doesn’t get nutrition. With treatment she could have quality of life so to me it’s a no brainer to give her that.

I have two cats and I love them ti pieces, can’t imagine letting them come to this. I also have pet insurance for them, she doesn’t. I’m picking up the cost possibly. Should I have stayed out of this? It felt negligent to not take her to the vets whilst under my care and clearly ill.

feel really put off my mum and sister as they seem so heartless. Or am I being a martyr?

not sure how to convince my mum to buy / give cat the special food and pills once the lot I’ve got runs out.

vet needs to do more bloods in 2 weeks to check treatment is working so it may be easier to keep cat with me till then. Treatment will be for life.

I’m considering keeping cat but my partner is not keen because there is an impact on our existing two cats. They’re scared of older cat and have retreated upstairs and have been vomiting so I think they are stressed by her.

AIBU = I should have stayed out of this. Now I’ve got involved I need to suck it up in terms of vet bills and ongoing care.

IANBU = I was right to take cat to vets and sister is the owner and responsible for care, including paying me back.

OP posts:
viques · 11/07/2024 19:53

I think at 19 and with a distressing illness that will require constant medication I would be thinking of all the unconditional love that the cat has given over the years and paying it back by saying enough is enough, her quality of life is below acceptable and it is time to say goodbye.

DogInATent · 11/07/2024 19:52

xyzabcde · 11/07/2024 19:44

If it turns out to be hyperthyroidism then the medicine should work wonders. One of ours (17) was just as your sisters was ill, listless, dying, ate like a horse but was a bag of bones.

Thyroxin whilst expensive isn't as much as some have said and is cheaper than printer ink!

He lived happily for another couple of years. Not as a kitten but as a senior cat. He was active, put on weight and was his normal self.

You don't give thyroxine for hyperthyroidism.

(and yes, I got my hypo- and hyper- confused in my earlier post)

fatandhappyxxx · 11/07/2024 19:47

You could test out the meds and follow up bloods but if limited result adopt a very low threshold to have him euthanised. That way you'll feel you've given him a chance while adopting the kindest most sensible option if no benefit found to cat.

RubyBirdy · 11/07/2024 19:46

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/07/2024 17:19

The vet has not suggested putting her to sleep.

My vet categorically does not suggest putting animals to sleep until the owner raises it, I suspect many vets follow the same rule.

xyzabcde · 11/07/2024 19:46

The thyroxin was given via a needless syringe squirted into his mouth once a day.

xyzabcde · 11/07/2024 19:44

If it turns out to be hyperthyroidism then the medicine should work wonders. One of ours (17) was just as your sisters was ill, listless, dying, ate like a horse but was a bag of bones.

Thyroxin whilst expensive isn't as much as some have said and is cheaper than printer ink!

He lived happily for another couple of years. Not as a kitten but as a senior cat. He was active, put on weight and was his normal self.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 11/07/2024 19:41

Tell your sister how much the bill is so far, and ask how much more she is willing to cough up. Then she knows you’re not paying.

fatandhappyxxx · 11/07/2024 19:40

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/07/2024 17:19

The vet has not suggested putting her to sleep.

They never do

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/07/2024 19:40

Aerialpigeon · 11/07/2024 18:57

I am appalled about all the comments about the vet, the vast vast majority of vets in this country are employees (mainly of corporate practices, some independents) or increasingly locums. They are not on commission and are plenty busy enough (having massive staff shortages across the industry) without doing unnecessary treatment to make more money for distant shareholders. It is far more distressing for vets to continue treating poorly animals who are suffering but who’s owners aren’t ready to let go, than to put to sleep animals who are ready.

Increasingly, the pet owning public (or pet parents as they are now sometimes referred to) do want all the bells and whistles when their animals are sick and age is not automatically a barrier to that. I will sometimes gently drop in the concept that pts wouldnt be the wrong thing to do in cases like this and see how it lands, but some clients will look shocked at the mere suggestion, so it is very difficult for vets to read the client.

I also wonder if the vet hasn’t suggested pts at this stage as

  1. it is not an acute emergency
  2. you are a carer rather than owner so are not legally allowed to decide that on your own
  3. hyperthyroidism is treatable in a large proportion of cases - being thin is a symptom of the disease - (which does sound advanced due to your sister/mum delaying taking the cat to the vet). Cats on treatment often regain the weight rapidly - although there can be issues with dosing, side effects and sometimes comorbidities such as kidneys.

Ultimately the choices are

  1. give treatment a go being mindful of costs, potential complications and consequences. Treatment can be tablets, oral liquid or topical gel.

  2. PTS

this is a decision for your sister. I would be strongly advising your sister to call the vets and have this conversation herself. I would also caution you about running up more bills on another persons behalf because I don’t know how you stand legally…. Have the bills been run up in an account in your name or on her account with her permission?

Thank you for your considered post.

The cat wasn’t previously registered at a vet so I registered her with my local vet, so she is under my name.

OP posts:
Resembleflower · 11/07/2024 19:38

Malahide · 11/07/2024 17:21

Because to the vet you are a cash cow, OP. Find a better, more humane vet and let the poor cat go. All you are doing is prolonging suffering and putting it through stressful procedures with no long term benefit.

Edited

This has just happened to me. Local vet recommended to me, but I was a cash cow. I’m now angry at how inhumane the vet was and 100% saw £££. I was on my way with my cat to have 24hr bp monitoring and she was so unhappy. Hated the fluids I was giving her In her neck(!) hated the food and kept hiding. I had several vet visits. She had lost her spark, got to the vets and decided no, enough is enough. I had her PTS vet kept saying you sure? you sure? It was horrendous and he made me feel awful like I was an awful cat owner.

RosesAndHellebores · 11/07/2024 19:37

You have done the right thing by engaging the vet to provide treatment while they are on holiday. When they return and are made aware of the treatment required by the vet and the cat, it is their decision whether to pay for the cat's clinical needs or whether they wish to have the cat put down. It is their decision.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/07/2024 19:36

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2024 19:31

It sounds like they both think she has reached the point where she needs to be put to sleep and to be very honest, I agree with that view.

But they shouldn't be leaving you to deal with it and pay expensive vets bills! I think an honest conversation needs to be had between the 3 of you once you mum returns from holiday.

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DogInATent · 11/07/2024 19:36

With treatment she could have quality of life
No. She's 19 with severe hypothyroidism. The outlook for quality of life is not good.

The diet can slow things getting worse, and the tablets can suppress the thyroid function. But the tablets have the potential for side effects, and whilst they're for life they are not permanent fix. Eventually the side effects catch-up. The blood tests will need to be repeated regularly to monitor the dose. I speak from experience as not only did I have an elderly cat that developed hypothyroidism I have also suffered from it myself - at one time the cat and I were on the same medication.

jolenethea · 11/07/2024 19:35

I think you've done the right thing. Your sister or mum should pay you the £300 incurred so far, and then it's up to them whether they decide to continue treatment or PTS.

ttcat37 · 11/07/2024 19:35

@InWithPeaceOutWithStress Please follow the advice of a vet who has spent years studying to care for animals, rather than that of people on the internet who have not even met the cat. I would love to know how many of these people are vets!
If people have really got you worried then try a different vet practice for a second opinion

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/07/2024 19:34

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 11/07/2024 19:14

But the question is - did you get told by the vet before they ran the £200 tests that it would be £200 and when you got your sister to agree to tests did the words “it’s going to cost another £200” leave your mouth?

You agreed to run expensive tests, that’s a lot of money to most people. I would always check with the person who I was expecting to pay that they understand the costs and would pay.

In hindsight I should have done this but I didn’t. My sister is very busy moving house right now so I didn’t think to phone her whilst at the vets. I had taken on the task of taking the cats to the vets and so went along with it. £200 is a lot of money to me too. Me and my sister happen to earn exactly the same salary and we both have savings. It’s obviously still a huge chunk of money which is why I have pet insurance. The vet made it sound like this was the only option and just needed to be done, hard to explain.

OP posts:
TeaAndTattoos · 11/07/2024 19:33

Stop being cruel and get the poor cat PTS stop prolonging the poor thing’s suffering the cat is 19 how much more life does the cat honestly have and the vet is never in a million years going to suggest it because they just want the money off you.

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2024 19:31

It sounds like they both think she has reached the point where she needs to be put to sleep and to be very honest, I agree with that view.

But they shouldn't be leaving you to deal with it and pay expensive vets bills! I think an honest conversation needs to be had between the 3 of you once you mum returns from holiday.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/07/2024 19:30

PasteldeNata78 · 11/07/2024 18:56

OP the choice here is simple. Your mum and sister are unlikely to continue with any expensive treatment.
Your choices are
a) Hand the cat back with no inkling of what will end up happening to it
b) Keep it, pay for everything and continue stressing your existing cats out in the process
c) PTS

You can't control what the cat's actual owners do and none of this js your call to make anyway.

Thank you for your comment. Yes this is so true. I have got a diagnosis and pills, I can send her back to my mums with the special food. But I have no idea / control over what happens then. I don’t have confidence that she will be closely cared for and treated there. I also don’t have the right to put her to sleep as she isn’t my cat, and that should be for my sister to take on the burden of making that decision and making it happen. But I don’t have confidence that will happen either.

OP posts:
Floralnomad · 11/07/2024 19:28

Our Ragdoll got this diagnosis at 16 , was very well aside from having diarrhoea and we started him on the pills and he went into acute liver failure and had to be PTS . At 19 and 2kg I’m not sure I’d have been treating her , just because you can treat elderly animals doesn’t mean you should .

Emotionalsupportviper · 11/07/2024 19:28

I had similar with a 13 y cat - suddenly lost weight and was eating constantly. Like your sister's cat, her kidneys were badly damaged and so it was diet and medication which she was on for about two years until her kidney function improved enough for surgery and she had her thyroid removed. Obviously she still needed medication but lived until she was 18. However, this was a 13 yo cat. At 19 I would ask the vet to euthanise her. She is going to be uncomfortable for a while longer anyway (and cats don't like taking tablets) and harsh as it sounds, she is unlikely to live a lot longer even if the medication is effective.

It is probably kinder to let her go.

Choochoo21 · 11/07/2024 19:27

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/07/2024 19:11

If I knew this in advance I would have known to ask that question - “would it be kinder to put her to sleep?” I wish I did ask that. But unfortunately it didn’t occur to me to ask that question. We were just looking at blood tests and possible diagnosis.

You did what you thought was right and what you did was right - you saw the cat was unwell, so you took it to the vets and took the vets advice.

You have absolutely nothing to feel guilty or bad about because you did what you felt was in the best interests of the cat.

You have done nothing ‘wrong’.
But I think you have simply just delayed the inevitable.

When my cat was poorly (14yo) I did try and keep him alive and it did work for a few months but then he went downhill again and that’s when I knew it was time to PTS.

Perhaps give it a couple of weeks and if there’s no improvement or it goes downhill then take him back to be PTS.

Well done for taking an animal (that’s not even yours) to the vets when it was unwell.

Immysmumma · 11/07/2024 19:26

OP, I’m so surprised how many people are saying you should definitely put her to sleep, when the vet has recommended a potential treatment. If it were my cat, I would absolutely try the treatment first (assuming your sister is happy to do it, given it’s her decision). If the vet felt there were no treatments available / the treatment was unlikely to work then they would have told you that (even if they didn’t go so far as to recommend PTS). If you try the treatment and it doesn’t work then PTS may be the outcome, but I don’t know why it wouldn’t be worth trying. You sound kind and like you’re trying to genuinely do your best for her, I hope your sister agrees to try the treatment and to pay for it x

Longdarkcloud · 11/07/2024 19:25

OP advise your sister about the current situation and that costs so far are at £X and does she want to continue with the treatment and if not will she take to be pts (kinder for her to do it)

Malahide · 11/07/2024 19:25

Mia184 · 11/07/2024 19:18

Then don‘t put her to sleep. I took in a 16 year old cat last November who had been homeless for 2 years after her owner died. She occasionally got scraps from the neighbors but otherwise had to find food on her own - she has no teeth.

She eventually settled on the farm next door when her previous owner‘s son took over the house and very brutally chased her away. At the farm it was considered to shoot her but luckily, they didn‘t do that. Then I saw her there (the farm is famous locally for its ice cream) and asked to take her.

i spent over 1000€ at the vet - she is skinny, had horrific diarrhea for months and didn‘t put on any weight even though she ate 1.5 pounds of wet food per day. For a couple of weeks, the first thing in the morning I had to do was clean the bath room because she shat multiple times everywhere in the bathroom. Plus she had a yeast infection in her ears that needed multiple treatment at the vet. Oh, and my other cat hates her so I have to keep them separately.

Bonnie’s weight is now stable, the diarrhea under control, she eats less and is enjoying live. It never occurred to me to put her to sleep since the vet never suggested it. The vet actually said that Bonnie most likely has a couple of years ahead of her.

A previously homeless cat who just needed a bit of TLC is very different to an unhealthy cat with a chronic condition.