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Late School Start Monday

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PuttingDownRoots · 11/07/2024 14:40

Primary School has announced that pupils do not have to be in school on Monday until 10am on Monday due to the football. (However it is open from normal time)

DH believes this is not good, a d setting a bad example

I thinkbthe school is being pragmatic and trying to keep their Stats up... because children will be up late so will be tired and grumpy on Monday morning... so more kate marks and more absences.

However... there has been several occasions where there have been school trips getting back at 10pm... and they were expected in at normal time the next day.

So... is the school being fair here?

(We aren't football fans, but we know people are excited!)

YABU... its a big event, the late start is justified
YANBU... children should be in school at normal time

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CatamaranViper · 12/07/2024 13:06

Oh I wish our school did this!

Both our companies have given us the morning off on Monday but we'll still have to be up to take DS to school. I'd just quite like a lie in! Not related to the football lol

parkrun500club · 12/07/2024 13:04

It's a cult and you must obey exactly, it's so tedious. Why can't people who want to do things, do them, and leave the rest of us alone!

parkrun500club · 12/07/2024 13:03

crumblingschools · 12/07/2024 12:48

@IvyIvyIvy I bet it is more about drunken/hungover parents not the children, but school won't want to label it as such. They know there is going to be a substantial number of parents not getting up in time/going to work so know that not all children will be in on time.

Hence, the reason they don't do it for trips etc

Yes the one reason to tell people they can stay in bed is so that they don't drive while still over the limit from the night before.

parkrun500club · 12/07/2024 13:02

The country is in the final, there’s only an opportunity for this once every four years

These days it's every year. Every two years for the Europeans and Worlds respectively and the same for the women's.

I think some schools did this after the Womens Euros as well.

It would help if it was scheduled a bit earlier. Is there really any need for it to start at 9pm in Germany? I would have thought 7pm would be fine. It's unlikely to go to penalties given it's Spain but if it did, it finishes at midnight in Germany - what on earth is that all about?

Didimum · 12/07/2024 12:59

Our school is doing 11am. I think it's a bit ridiculous to be honest, but can't be bothered to get that worked up about it. What with Tesco closing early, the rumours of a bank holiday, and now this, all I can think is that they didn't make this much fuss for the Lionesses (who performed so much better), so that says it all really, doesn't it? The messaging is pretty bad, and I agree that the country does not need time to 'recover' from a football match.

My main grievance is that most young kids do not 'sleep in' anyway, regardless of when they go to bed. They will spring awake at 6:30 if they go to bed at 7pm or 10pm, so it's not really a thing.

crumblingschools · 12/07/2024 12:48

@IvyIvyIvy I bet it is more about drunken/hungover parents not the children, but school won't want to label it as such. They know there is going to be a substantial number of parents not getting up in time/going to work so know that not all children will be in on time.

Hence, the reason they don't do it for trips etc

IvyIvyIvy · 12/07/2024 12:38

I agree with your DH. I get football is important to certain groups of people but schools don't do late starts for other global sporting events or Eurovision or last night of the proms or the election results or the referendum. I get some families revolve around football but we don't. But we revolve around other things and don't expect the world to stop for a late night. If it wasn't England in the final, would it be ok for a kid of another nationality to turn up late for school the next day?

I also agree that it sets a bad example to children that they can stroll into school or work later in life with an excuse like that. If you can't get up in time the next day then you shouldn't stay up.

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 12/07/2024 12:31

It's just bloody football.

Even if England win, it's literally just the people running around kicking the ball that actually won.
I hate it when people say 'we won', no WE didn't.

The whole country doesn't need to recover from a football match.

I don't object to late starts in general, our school have done it for legitimately good reasons before, but football is not one of them.

Ponoka7 · 12/07/2024 12:02

I think that the school should be open, like an after school art club type thing for those who need to put their children in, but it's fine to not take the register and start lessons until 10. It also stops some parents from driving over the limit. Football is our national game. It brings in massive amounts of revenue and in places like Anfield/Everton in Liverpool, it keeps businesses open and provides a lot of jobs. Even if you aren't into Football, you should appreciate the industry. I partly think that flowers are a waste of money but people need jobs. My GC school has used the football (and will the Olympics) to teach flags and other things. There's worry about WC boys not engaging with education, events like this are useful.

NeedthatFridayfeeling · 12/07/2024 11:55

I think it's a nice thing to do, my daughters school are also doing this, though she'll be in the normal time as isn't interested in the football

Iwasafool · 12/07/2024 11:54

Caththegreat · 12/07/2024 11:51

Why does togetherness only have to be about football?

Didn't we get a holiday for the Coronation? I think we did so not always football.

Caththegreat · 12/07/2024 11:53

Itsjustnotcricket11 · 11/07/2024 16:17

Our school is doing the same and I’m absolutely fuming. How can school justify it for a stupid football match but when they are so stuck on rules for things that I would say are more important to myself and us as a family it’s tough.
I’m all for relaxed rules as long as it’s consistent. We just now lie to school about anything we need to do as a family. I know a friend whose kids were refused an afternoon off to attend their parents wedding. It’s just so hypocritical and inconsistent.

It's a cult and you must obey

Caththegreat · 12/07/2024 11:51

Why does togetherness only have to be about football?

Caththegreat · 12/07/2024 11:49

What about other cultural activities? Cult

Iwasafool · 12/07/2024 11:28

JasperTheDoll · 12/07/2024 11:04

How is it for the benefit of the teachers? They will still be going into work at the usual time.

Don't spoil their fun with a bit of logic.

AllesAusLiebe · 12/07/2024 11:28

ItsAlrightDarling · 12/07/2024 11:23

My 10 and 8 year olds love a lie in! If they go to bed later than usual, they wake up later than usual.

Haha I stand corrected. Maybe it's just me who's unlucky! 😂It never happens - DS is like the household alarm clock.

hulahooper2 · 12/07/2024 11:25

its only a football game , don’t understand the big deal about it , school should start at usual time.

ItsAlrightDarling · 12/07/2024 11:23

AllesAusLiebe · 12/07/2024 11:01

We haven't heard anything from DS's school, but honestly, this makes me laugh. I do not recognise these primary school kids that enjoy a lie in. DS has no interest in watching the game, but even if he did, I could guarantee he would still be up at 6am the next day! We'll be going to work as normal, so no change for us.

DH also told me that as a kid, he used to regularly attend night games for the local team on a Tuesday night and manage to turn up to school on time. He has nice memories of it and didn't need a lie in the next day.

I find all of this quite stupid. Surely this is a pain for the teachers, too? In the week before the Summer holidays, maintaining some sense of calm must be hard enough without having staggered start times to deal with also?

It's cute to watch a whole country have a total breakdown because you might finally win something, though. Let's just hope you have the VAR officials on your side again - they seem quite fond of Spain, too.

My 10 and 8 year olds love a lie in! If they go to bed later than usual, they wake up later than usual.

JasperTheDoll · 12/07/2024 11:04

Branster · 12/07/2024 07:12

Meh it's for the benefit of parents and teachers. Although I can't imagine the majority would absolutely need a later start at work on Monday.
Hardly a 'cultural' event as someone upthread called it, but it is nice to get children to enthuse about a national team where the scopes are high.
I don't see a problem with a later start, especially so close to end of school year.

How is it for the benefit of the teachers? They will still be going into work at the usual time.

AllesAusLiebe · 12/07/2024 11:01

We haven't heard anything from DS's school, but honestly, this makes me laugh. I do not recognise these primary school kids that enjoy a lie in. DS has no interest in watching the game, but even if he did, I could guarantee he would still be up at 6am the next day! We'll be going to work as normal, so no change for us.

DH also told me that as a kid, he used to regularly attend night games for the local team on a Tuesday night and manage to turn up to school on time. He has nice memories of it and didn't need a lie in the next day.

I find all of this quite stupid. Surely this is a pain for the teachers, too? In the week before the Summer holidays, maintaining some sense of calm must be hard enough without having staggered start times to deal with also?

It's cute to watch a whole country have a total breakdown because you might finally win something, though. Let's just hope you have the VAR officials on your side again - they seem quite fond of Spain, too.

macaroniandcheeze · 12/07/2024 10:35

Spirallingdownwards · 12/07/2024 06:59

I would look at the viewing figures for each and that may give you a clue as to why they do it for the men's football.

Perhaps the viewing figures would be higher for other sports if they were given as much cultural importance as football.

The football obsession is unhealthy in this country. I think a lot of men love it because they think it could/should have been them. Success by association.

And domestic violence increases when England loses

LoveWine123 · 12/07/2024 10:13

There is a lot of overthinking here and I don’t really understand what the problem is. Take your daughter on time or take her in at 10am. Let her watch the game or don’t let her watch the game. We are not a football family so unlikely to watch it, but this is a big thing for this nation and a great positive for everyone. I really don’t see why anyone would make this into an issue.

MargaretThursday · 12/07/2024 10:06

Ds is very smug that he has a free Monday morning so doesn't need to be up. (He's 6th form)
I suggested that he goes to bed really early and wakes at 6am and watches the highlights. His look of horror was very funny. Apparently my jokes aren't funny. 🤣

crumblingschools · 12/07/2024 09:59

If school is open at normal time, they are just closing registration later, teachers will have to be at usual time

Plano · 12/07/2024 09:57

Branster · 12/07/2024 07:12

Meh it's for the benefit of parents and teachers. Although I can't imagine the majority would absolutely need a later start at work on Monday.
Hardly a 'cultural' event as someone upthread called it, but it is nice to get children to enthuse about a national team where the scopes are high.
I don't see a problem with a later start, especially so close to end of school year.

In what way do teachers, who have to be in at the normal time, benefit? I'd much rather have everyone in than children arriving in dribs and drabs. This is classic criticism of teachers without stopping to think for just a moment about the actual situation.