Late School Start Monday

It has been universally played in schools for boys for a long time and now more competitively for girls too. That is why it popular and becoming even more so.

I am going to hazard a guess you have either never even been to a match or haven't recently because if you had you would know that nowadays there aren't the issues there may have been in the 70s. It's very much a family event.

Specific kind of parent 🙄 Oh dear! Yes you sound like a snob. We are lawyers and kids have been privately educated (so probably don't fit your stereotype of what you perceive to be a football fan) but even their schools allowed them to watch in school, come in late etc.

Your comment about the election is plain daft. It's not because parents are staying up to 10.45 that they allowed to come in late but because children all over the country will be being allowed to stay up later than usual to watch. Parents that followed the election may also be football fans as shocking as that may be to you.

Do you have an issue when the children at all types of schools are allowed in late after they compete in Young Choices or are choirs an acceptable reason for you and less offensive?

Why not you do you and take your kids in at the usual time and let others do them, enjoy the spectacle and celebrate a win (hopefully) or at least enjoy a shared experience with their school friends. If your child doesn't want to join in or you don't want them to that's fine too. But your outdated views are ridiculous.

They know that there will be tons of kids who suddenly come down with 'vomiting and diarrhoea on Saturday night' and will be off Monday. But if they know they can come in slightly later, most will not suddenly succumb to this mystery illness that affects absolutely nobody on Friday morning but is all over the school by the weekend, to disappear and not happen to anybody at all on Sunday or Monday.

I'm expecting the trip to work on Monday morning (when I'll be in at my usual time, along with the rest of the staff) to be considerably quieter.

It's not saying it's OK to take time off for football as much as it's saying 'Just get them in for the rest of the day and we won't have to waste our morning listening to you all lying on the voicemail'.

Of course not!

Yes. My children (KS2) still sleep a solid 11 hours a night (8.30-7.30). I’ve been told on here that they go to bed far too early, they sleep too much, blah blah blah, but they excel academically, are both county champions at their particular sport, are never tired and grumpy etc. Their friends who don’t go to bed until late regularly are chronically over tired. Kids need sleep.

How often does England get to the final of an international tournament? Not often. We haven't one won in my lifetime. It really is a one off.

I seem to remember England winning the Euros back in 2022......

Or does women's football not count?

The women have won much more recently than that.

Because we're talking about children. Not adults.

It rises when they win too. Just not by as much as when they lose.

I have seen parents taking their children doing trick n treating at 11pm when Halloween is on a school night.

Besides who opens their door at 11pm to strangers?

Noticed a small sign on the door to Lidl this morning to say store will be opening an hour later.

KO is at 8pm. If it goes to dreaded penalties, it will be 10:45pm they will be doing them.

Schools here isn’t an issue as closed yesterday or today

10pm is a best case scenario anyway. The game will finish then or just before if there's no need for extra time and penalties. If England win, clearly the DC are going to stay up to watch them get the trophy, which with all the pissing about is going to add another quarter of an hour. And not everyone will be watching at home.

This explains why week in week out I have to teach children who are too tired to learn. Unless UKS2, it really is.

The issue did arise in 2021, when the England men made the similarly timed final. There were people complaining on here then about schools taking a pragmatic approach, too.

So it's not a one off. But nor is a sensible acknowledgment of reality once in three years at the tail end of term a big deal either. People get overblown about it.

Well Englands credentials have significantly improved since women got involved

How often does England get to the final of an international tournament? Not often. We haven't one won in my lifetime. It really is a one off.

It’s not a one off. There will always be football. There will always be another match, another final.
I’ll be happy if the team wins because domestic violence rises when they lose.

Our school have just announced the same thing. But said children can come in up till morning break without telling us when morning break actually is so that's quite funny.

It’s in part because there will be parents who are too hung over to be able to take their kids in usual time - the late start give those parents an opportunity to take them in other which is better than missing the whole day.

Still fewer will have been allowed to stay up late enough to watch the results come in!

People keep making comparisons to events that have totally different timing. It doesn't work. If you want something akin to this, it needs to be held during the English term time, on a school night, starting at 8 and finishing potentially at 11. It needs to be early enough that DC can realistically stay up for it, so not a 2am job, but late enough to be past their usual bedtime ie not the Lionesses playing in the morning.

Its a one off ,England have only played in.two tournament finals both on their own soil
If they win on Sunday it will the first major tournament since 1966
In a world outside of mumsnet people will be happy if they win
I'm no major football fan but I'll be delighted if they win.

It's so the children can watch it, not the parents though.

I can't imagine many Primary school age children wanting to watch the general election over the football.

I didn’t mean that only men love it. But I find men’s obsession with it much more unsettling than women’s love for it.

You can’t just say that it’s popular because it’s popular. There’s more to it than that. It’s ingrained in our culture in a very toxic way, has lots of issues and problems way worse than an hour off school, but even that is sending the message that it’s more important than anything else because it’s the football.

Also - aware I am sounding like a snob now but I don’t care- it’s pandering to a specific kind of parent. The parents who stayed up all night to watch the election didn’t take their kids in late. Not saying you can only be interested in one or the other, there’s a huge crossover - but there’s a type of football fan who won’t take their kid to school the next day because of a football game the previous night, and that behaviour is being validated by the schools.

They might as well not bother. I hate it the most. No contest.
I still don’t see a problem with the school’s plan though.

Yep. It was last time, and bear in mind people won't necessarily be watching at home either. It's very clear that lots of primary aged DC are going to be up later than usual on Sunday night, and some of them will not then be taken to school at the usual time on Monday morning.

Yes and as the vast majority of the country do indeed care that us why there is a fab spirit of togetherness at present.

You do realise that your view isn't that kf the majority. I love it but can't abide Love Island but realise others do and don't moan about coverage and mentions of it on other shows or even in conversations at work. I accept others are interested and either listen or choose not to.