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Milmilj · 11/07/2024 07:38

My partner and I have been together for just over 2 years, moved in together and are thinking of starting a family. He's the one who has approached the topic of children and is desperate to start a family. Admittedly I’ve felt I would rather wait a little longer having just got a little promotion at work - plus he doesn’t want to marry for another few years and I want some time to get used to that idea of having children before marriage.

He has an interview for a job that will require him to travel abroad from time to time. At the moment we are unsure how often it will be but I can’t help but feel anxious and upset he has gone for the job without much discussion - especially when he is the one talking about babies. In his current job, he works away 3 days a month and he isn’t very passionate about it. I have to travel nearly an hour to work from home every day, so I just worry about the logistics of managing bringing up young children in an environment like this.

I guess I am asking: how has it worked out for others? I feel awful to ask, but is my partner being selfish? Am I being selfish? For the most part he will be working from home. I don't want to risk my own career… what if a child is ill when he’s away? Both of our parents still work and I wouldn’t want to assume the responsibility on them.

When I try to bring up such questions up he shuts down the conversation and says he needs to be in the headspace for the interview. I feel selfish for raising my concerns when it’s a job he clearly wants. But at the same time, I want the father of my children to be involved in raising them. I’m worried that while he is away I will struggle single parenting. We live in the middle of nowhere so help isn't just around the corner. Am I being too negative?

Thanks all.

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RubyWriter · 12/07/2024 15:41

RubyWriter · 12/07/2024 15:36

Hi just seen this! I did for a long time tbh. We’d talked about getting married and then he said he’d changed his mind but definitely wanted to be with me, wanted kids etc. I spent a while deciding if I could do it. I was very open about my feelings but wouldn’t force anyone to marry me.

And decided yes but my expectations of the relationship increased so was very clear that kids would have my name and that he would have to support us financially if I would make the sacrifices having children and working part-time.

He never wobbled at all and he has always looked after me financially (he’s not mega loaded) and it’s never been a question. I felt supported but I went into having kids because I wanted them with or without him so planned accordingly.

he supported me through uni pre kids so I have a vocation/career that means it’ll be easier to pick up full time work when kids are older/we split up and I’ve always worked to keep my experience up to date.

I had the mindset of expecting us to split up which I suppose people may think that isn’t healthy but to me it was sensible.
i would encourage women to get married because having kids is life changing. I’m lucky that my partner although definitely not perfect is committed to our family and would do anything for us. (Just not marriage (he has his reasons)).

kids are now young teens and now I feel as secure as anyone but I’m financially secure so I can relax a little. I also now don’t care that we didn’t get married. We’ve been together over 25 years.

I do wonder if it may be wise to have a registry wedding as we get older to save on inheritance tax etc but if we do we prob won’t tell anyone and it would be purely for tax reasons.

I made a lot of demands to ensure my security which maybe seem unreasonable to some and especially to some men - but if he thought that then it would have probably been easier just to marry! 😂😂

Just to add it took a year for me to decide if I wanted to stay with him without marriage but I had the time to take (I was late twenties).

RubyWriter · 12/07/2024 15:36

Milmilj · 11/07/2024 21:58

Can I ask if you feel any anxiety in the relationship because of this please? Would you have rather have married or do you feel happy with the situation?

Hi just seen this! I did for a long time tbh. We’d talked about getting married and then he said he’d changed his mind but definitely wanted to be with me, wanted kids etc. I spent a while deciding if I could do it. I was very open about my feelings but wouldn’t force anyone to marry me.

And decided yes but my expectations of the relationship increased so was very clear that kids would have my name and that he would have to support us financially if I would make the sacrifices having children and working part-time.

He never wobbled at all and he has always looked after me financially (he’s not mega loaded) and it’s never been a question. I felt supported but I went into having kids because I wanted them with or without him so planned accordingly.

he supported me through uni pre kids so I have a vocation/career that means it’ll be easier to pick up full time work when kids are older/we split up and I’ve always worked to keep my experience up to date.

I had the mindset of expecting us to split up which I suppose people may think that isn’t healthy but to me it was sensible.
i would encourage women to get married because having kids is life changing. I’m lucky that my partner although definitely not perfect is committed to our family and would do anything for us. (Just not marriage (he has his reasons)).

kids are now young teens and now I feel as secure as anyone but I’m financially secure so I can relax a little. I also now don’t care that we didn’t get married. We’ve been together over 25 years.

I do wonder if it may be wise to have a registry wedding as we get older to save on inheritance tax etc but if we do we prob won’t tell anyone and it would be purely for tax reasons.

I made a lot of demands to ensure my security which maybe seem unreasonable to some and especially to some men - but if he thought that then it would have probably been easier just to marry! 😂😂

Justkeepingplatesspinning · 12/07/2024 14:29

TemuSpecialBuy · 12/07/2024 06:54

Way too wishy washy.
He will see these as light suggestions, twist your words, talk you round and you'll end up pregnant with a ring and a neverending engagement.
I'm with @RedToothBrush he needs to commit now. Today. And you get married before year end. If he cant commit now. today. It's over.
And if you do this... it will be over.
If you use the wording in the posting above mine be very careful with saying the last paragraph about children and 50/50 .. he will say yes fine because he will hear "we will pay 50/50" (ie better deal financially for him) and you are the mum so you do all the grunt work, deal with sickness, the night wakings and everything else relating to our child

I get you need to have the conversation so you know you tried your best to save this and make it work but honestly you should end this. He is not "the one"

even if he compromises and marries you....

  1. You'll never hear the end of how you "forced" him into it and it will be used to get his own way in every big life choice "well you got what you wanted - i married you! so i will buy this impractical car X/ go on holiday to Y/take job Z because i should get something thats what i want"
  2. Marriage or no, this guy is going to be a shitty life partner to you and a part time disney dad to your child(ren) i hope you have family around to support you if you press on.

I am saying this not to be harsh but its the kind of thing i wish id been told before wasting 5 good long years in my late 20s on a guy that just didnt want the same things i did.

Edited

I came back to say this too. If you get married, he will always throw at you in a disagreement how you 'forced' him into marriage. Unless everything is on his terms, you're delaying the inevitable. Whether that is you splitting up, or you being miserable and unfulfilled with a partner who doesn't respect you and who won't marry you, I'm not sure.

Runsyd · 12/07/2024 08:37

WhereIsMyLight · 12/07/2024 06:32

You need to be firmer about what you are expecting as a minimum from this relationship. I still think you need to ask the previous questions I’ve mentioned, as those answers will be telling about whether he really does love you.
”I am not ready to have children and I will not be having children without the stability of marriage. That is not going to change, no matter how much you push. If you want children sooner rather than later, you need to marry me, sooner rather than later. I’m not waiting indefinitely for you to decide if I am worth more to you than just an incubator for your children.

When we get married, we will be partners. We will be equal partners raising children and I am not giving up my career at the expense of yours. This means you cannot make decisions about your career which leaves me with the bulk of the caring responsibilities without discussing it with me. I’m not saying you can’t opportunities, of course, but you do need to discuss how you see it working and then during an interview you need to be asking about whether that arrangement will work. That will give you an indication if the job is going to work for our family.”

Yes. You need a real change of mindset here, OP. Demand what you deserve, or walk away.

Pandadunks · 12/07/2024 07:53

Olika · 12/07/2024 07:10

I hope you consider all great advice you are getting as a response to your latest update. To be completely frank I still think you should just end this as this man doesn't want marriage, wants you to do parenting when he is travelling here and there, he sees you as someone after his assets and some things he has said to you are just too much.

This.

Hes wants his cake etc. and to leave you supporting his life with no risk to him.
As for you taking a leap of faith - shouldn’t he do the same?
Ask him if his willing to pay for everything while your on maternity leave AND pay into your pension during that time?
Whos going to pay for childcare - you? Him? Both of you?
What about getting you help when he travels?
Can you get a cleaner? Babysittters?

Or are you expected to work, look after kids, and the household while he focussed on his career?

Olika · 12/07/2024 07:10

I hope you consider all great advice you are getting as a response to your latest update. To be completely frank I still think you should just end this as this man doesn't want marriage, wants you to do parenting when he is travelling here and there, he sees you as someone after his assets and some things he has said to you are just too much.

TemuSpecialBuy · 12/07/2024 06:54

Milmilj · 11/07/2024 22:05

I am thinking of saying something like: “I am not ready to have children, and the fact that marriage isn’t on the cards ‘for another 3-4 years’ is making me less keen. I really want to start a family with you, but not until we are a whole unit and husband and wife. I know you compromised by saying you will marry eventually, but I don’t feel I can wait 3-4 years to have children. If you don’t feel that you can compromise any further, it will be the best for us to separate so that we can find people who match our own values and goals in life, unless you are willing to consider marriage over the next year or the year after in which we will then look at trying for a baby”.

I also want to mention how disheartened I felt when he brought up the job without asking how I felt about it… it was just assumed that I would be okay with it. Of course I support him but it was the lack of consideration on how it’d impact me and the family that he is so desperate to have. But will this take away from my focus above?

Way too wishy washy.
He will see these as light suggestions, twist your words, talk you round and you'll end up pregnant with a ring and a neverending engagement.
I'm with @RedToothBrush he needs to commit now. Today. And you get married before year end. If he cant commit now. today. It's over.
And if you do this... it will be over.
If you use the wording in the posting above mine be very careful with saying the last paragraph about children and 50/50 .. he will say yes fine because he will hear "we will pay 50/50" (ie better deal financially for him) and you are the mum so you do all the grunt work, deal with sickness, the night wakings and everything else relating to our child

I get you need to have the conversation so you know you tried your best to save this and make it work but honestly you should end this. He is not "the one"

even if he compromises and marries you....

  1. You'll never hear the end of how you "forced" him into it and it will be used to get his own way in every big life choice "well you got what you wanted - i married you! so i will buy this impractical car X/ go on holiday to Y/take job Z because i should get something thats what i want"
  2. Marriage or no, this guy is going to be a shitty life partner to you and a part time disney dad to your child(ren) i hope you have family around to support you if you press on.

I am saying this not to be harsh but its the kind of thing i wish id been told before wasting 5 good long years in my late 20s on a guy that just didnt want the same things i did.

WhereIsMyLight · 12/07/2024 06:32

Milmilj · 11/07/2024 22:05

I am thinking of saying something like: “I am not ready to have children, and the fact that marriage isn’t on the cards ‘for another 3-4 years’ is making me less keen. I really want to start a family with you, but not until we are a whole unit and husband and wife. I know you compromised by saying you will marry eventually, but I don’t feel I can wait 3-4 years to have children. If you don’t feel that you can compromise any further, it will be the best for us to separate so that we can find people who match our own values and goals in life, unless you are willing to consider marriage over the next year or the year after in which we will then look at trying for a baby”.

I also want to mention how disheartened I felt when he brought up the job without asking how I felt about it… it was just assumed that I would be okay with it. Of course I support him but it was the lack of consideration on how it’d impact me and the family that he is so desperate to have. But will this take away from my focus above?

You need to be firmer about what you are expecting as a minimum from this relationship. I still think you need to ask the previous questions I’ve mentioned, as those answers will be telling about whether he really does love you.
”I am not ready to have children and I will not be having children without the stability of marriage. That is not going to change, no matter how much you push. If you want children sooner rather than later, you need to marry me, sooner rather than later. I’m not waiting indefinitely for you to decide if I am worth more to you than just an incubator for your children.

When we get married, we will be partners. We will be equal partners raising children and I am not giving up my career at the expense of yours. This means you cannot make decisions about your career which leaves me with the bulk of the caring responsibilities without discussing it with me. I’m not saying you can’t opportunities, of course, but you do need to discuss how you see it working and then during an interview you need to be asking about whether that arrangement will work. That will give you an indication if the job is going to work for our family.”

Milkand2sugarsplease · 11/07/2024 23:02

He wants a new job so he's going for it.
He wants a baby so he's pushing you to come off the pill
He wants you to juggle parenting and working while he nips off travelling, albeit for work
He doesn't want to get married so is dangling a carrot to placate you.
He's not listening to your concerns, instead hiding behind his interview.

Where's the "team" element of your relationship because it all seems to be swayed in his favour atm.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2024 23:01

PostItInABook · 11/07/2024 22:16

This is all very wish washy and apologetic and he will trample all over you in his haste to twist your words. You need to be much more direct about YOUR needs and wants, not his. You say something like ‘I am not ready to have children yet and I will not give up my career and change my life to have your children without being married and the practicalities of raising a child being discussed and agreed upon first. If you are not willing to fully make the commitment to building a united family unit and provide protection and security for the future then this is the end of the road for us. It is too much of a risk for me to give up my independence and financial security if I (and our future children) am not afforded any protection by marriage.’

This.

He's gaslit you this far. He'll just do the same here because you aren't getting that he's manipulative and frankly trying to put you into a position so he can abuse you emotionally and financially.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2024 22:58

Milmilj · 11/07/2024 22:05

I am thinking of saying something like: “I am not ready to have children, and the fact that marriage isn’t on the cards ‘for another 3-4 years’ is making me less keen. I really want to start a family with you, but not until we are a whole unit and husband and wife. I know you compromised by saying you will marry eventually, but I don’t feel I can wait 3-4 years to have children. If you don’t feel that you can compromise any further, it will be the best for us to separate so that we can find people who match our own values and goals in life, unless you are willing to consider marriage over the next year or the year after in which we will then look at trying for a baby”.

I also want to mention how disheartened I felt when he brought up the job without asking how I felt about it… it was just assumed that I would be okay with it. Of course I support him but it was the lack of consideration on how it’d impact me and the family that he is so desperate to have. But will this take away from my focus above?

He doesn't want to marry you.

He's said that.

The promise of that in a few years is to keep you on the hook.

He does want a baby now. But he doesn't want the responsibility of a baby.

So not only are you Miss Right Now rather than Miss Right, you also happen to be his incubator. You are a means to an end and you'll even do the hard graft for him.

That's all he sees you as, because he's not willing to commit now.

He's still waiting for Miss Right and should he meet her he'll drop you (and no doubt the child) as quickly as he can.

If he was really into you and waiting a family with you, he wouldn't be stringing you along like this and he wouldn't be talking about 'protecting his assets' which he views more important than you.

All you'll be doing here is losing 3 or 4 years of your life to him, waiting for him to decide to marry you. Before you either give in and have a baby and leave yourself totally exposed or you wake up. Either way, you are stuck in the 'sunk costs' mentality and still seem to think this guy loves you despite it being blatantly obvious to loads of us here, that he just doesn't.

You are worth more than being led on, waiting for his to change his mind or realise that yes he does want to marry you. That's not the man he is though. You can't change him or fix him. Nor will waiting for him to get his act together work.

You need to say, he needs to make his mind up NOW. He either commits or you walk. That's marriage. If he's 'not ready' when he's pressuring you into a baby at the same time, he will never commit to you and all he's looking to do is screw you over in the long term when a better offer comes along.

And deep down you know this. You are just too scared to admit it.

candycane222 · 11/07/2024 22:52

SallyWD · 11/07/2024 22:28

My DH has always travelled for work. We have no family nearby. I've just got on with it. It's been fine.

You haven't read the thread have you? The travelling is turning out to be the least of OPs worries

tennesseewhiskey1 · 11/07/2024 22:48

Don’t have a child with him. Reconsider being with him.

Roryhon · 11/07/2024 22:42

Milmilj · 11/07/2024 22:05

I am thinking of saying something like: “I am not ready to have children, and the fact that marriage isn’t on the cards ‘for another 3-4 years’ is making me less keen. I really want to start a family with you, but not until we are a whole unit and husband and wife. I know you compromised by saying you will marry eventually, but I don’t feel I can wait 3-4 years to have children. If you don’t feel that you can compromise any further, it will be the best for us to separate so that we can find people who match our own values and goals in life, unless you are willing to consider marriage over the next year or the year after in which we will then look at trying for a baby”.

I also want to mention how disheartened I felt when he brought up the job without asking how I felt about it… it was just assumed that I would be okay with it. Of course I support him but it was the lack of consideration on how it’d impact me and the family that he is so desperate to have. But will this take away from my focus above?

You should definitely say this. It’s right. But I am sure that he will turn it round and make you feel like you’re being difficult. In all honesty I think you should find someone better. The right man should be your partner, want to share his life with you if you’re good enough to be the mother of his children, you’re good enough to share his assets. You’ll end up in such a mess if you go along with his selfish plan. He sounds like a bully. And just a bit weird. Find someone better!

BruFord · 11/07/2024 22:41

Be more concise: I want to get married before trying to conceive.

No need to justify or negotiate, that’s what you want so he can decide what he’s going to do.

BettyBardMacDonald · 11/07/2024 22:33

OCDmama · 11/07/2024 22:06

Don't do it. This man will never marry you.

He wants you to take a leap of faith and trust him to have kids without being married, but he's not willing to extend that faith to sharing assets with you.

It's because of these assets he won't do it. He knows the kids will be enough of a tie.

This.

Please don't be coerced into TTC.

Take some time away from him, at least a week or two, and really, really think about the insight in this thread.

You don't want to end up like the impoverished, sad, career-ruined people who overlooked massive red flags.

There are millions of better men out there. Who would care about you and the children.

SallyWD · 11/07/2024 22:28

My DH has always travelled for work. We have no family nearby. I've just got on with it. It's been fine.

PostItInABook · 11/07/2024 22:17

Crazycatlady79 · 11/07/2024 22:11

You wouldn't be SINGLE parenting your as yet imaginary children as you have a partner, albeit travelling abroad (in this imaginary future).
You're being ridiculous.

I don’t feel like you’ve actually read the thread.

PostItInABook · 11/07/2024 22:16

Milmilj · 11/07/2024 22:05

I am thinking of saying something like: “I am not ready to have children, and the fact that marriage isn’t on the cards ‘for another 3-4 years’ is making me less keen. I really want to start a family with you, but not until we are a whole unit and husband and wife. I know you compromised by saying you will marry eventually, but I don’t feel I can wait 3-4 years to have children. If you don’t feel that you can compromise any further, it will be the best for us to separate so that we can find people who match our own values and goals in life, unless you are willing to consider marriage over the next year or the year after in which we will then look at trying for a baby”.

I also want to mention how disheartened I felt when he brought up the job without asking how I felt about it… it was just assumed that I would be okay with it. Of course I support him but it was the lack of consideration on how it’d impact me and the family that he is so desperate to have. But will this take away from my focus above?

This is all very wish washy and apologetic and he will trample all over you in his haste to twist your words. You need to be much more direct about YOUR needs and wants, not his. You say something like ‘I am not ready to have children yet and I will not give up my career and change my life to have your children without being married and the practicalities of raising a child being discussed and agreed upon first. If you are not willing to fully make the commitment to building a united family unit and provide protection and security for the future then this is the end of the road for us. It is too much of a risk for me to give up my independence and financial security if I (and our future children) am not afforded any protection by marriage.’

Crazycatlady79 · 11/07/2024 22:11

You wouldn't be SINGLE parenting your as yet imaginary children as you have a partner, albeit travelling abroad (in this imaginary future).
You're being ridiculous.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/07/2024 22:07

OP if you want kids and you want to be married first then you don't have time to wait for him to make his mind up.

You could just say, "This isn't working. We want different things. You want me to bear a child for you but you aren't willing to marry me first and I'm not OK with that so we clearly aren't compatible."

But you have to be sure you're willing to walk away.

OCDmama · 11/07/2024 22:06

Don't do it. This man will never marry you.

He wants you to take a leap of faith and trust him to have kids without being married, but he's not willing to extend that faith to sharing assets with you.

It's because of these assets he won't do it. He knows the kids will be enough of a tie.

Milmilj · 11/07/2024 22:05

I am thinking of saying something like: “I am not ready to have children, and the fact that marriage isn’t on the cards ‘for another 3-4 years’ is making me less keen. I really want to start a family with you, but not until we are a whole unit and husband and wife. I know you compromised by saying you will marry eventually, but I don’t feel I can wait 3-4 years to have children. If you don’t feel that you can compromise any further, it will be the best for us to separate so that we can find people who match our own values and goals in life, unless you are willing to consider marriage over the next year or the year after in which we will then look at trying for a baby”.

I also want to mention how disheartened I felt when he brought up the job without asking how I felt about it… it was just assumed that I would be okay with it. Of course I support him but it was the lack of consideration on how it’d impact me and the family that he is so desperate to have. But will this take away from my focus above?

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Venice241 · 11/07/2024 22:02

LadyFeatheringt0n · 11/07/2024 18:09

Do not have children if he won't marry you.

Red flag. Big red fucking flag

He's just not that into you if he's not marrying you.

I agree with this.
When the overwhelming majority of men are weak for you they absolutely want to put a finger on it.

He's looking for a baby even who will pay for it and take all time/career/pension hits.

The only thing he is weak for is his assets.
That's why he uses anger and intimidation to shut her up.

Classic abusive tactic.