"Prime Minister Keir Starmer recommits to £3 billion a year of military support for Ukraine until 2030/31 and for as long as needed"

Where have you been for the last few years?
Johnson committed the UK to supporting Ukraine and each PM since has reaffirmed that commitment.
What do you think that meant?

That's true, but it's not why we need to spend this money. It's entirely for our own safety and protection.

Yes, yes it is. Woooo!

What begins? Carrying on what the previous government promised with the intent of keeping Russia from an all out war with NATO?

And your issue with trying to protect innocent civilians is what precisely?

Russia are carrying out an abhorrent act and we should be offering support. If anything we've not done enough

What would you do to stop the Russians?

What about when they've overrun Ukraine?

And so it begins. This is what people voted for...

It was a perfectly reasonable question. Posters starting a thread then not returning happens all the time on here, especially on controversial topics.

Now that that have, there is no planet on which Zelensky is calling the shots. That is a truly ridiculous claim. Any conclusions based on so faulty a premise will inevitably be wrong.

Yes, it is a lot of money. However, it’s still a reasonable price to pay given the wider context and the very unpleasant alternative.

This all day long

Zelensky calling the shots? Wow

I'm pretty certain the invasion was by Russia. Zelensky is just doing his best to protect his country from destruction.

What would you be doing in his place?

Good thing to put it off as long as possible though.

Temporarily. Then there will be another issue in another place, or the same place. It’s just delaying it nothing is ultimately going to avert humans destroying the planet and/or ourselves one way or another.

Who?

We could just leave the Russians to march through Europe, I suppose.

What eastern pro Russian regions?

I didn't understand it either

It sounded like a trite "you do you" response that means there is no answer

Well that didn't take long

There's a whole section on gaza

Russia's already attacking the UK, mostly from within and to a certain degree physically.

We might not want to be at war, but it doesn't depend on us - it depends on the country that is hostile to us, and we can't control that.

We need to face it and to pay for ways to stop it.

Proof?

Russia's carrying out some sabotage missions within the UK and Europe already and actively recruiting to get more people to carry them out
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/30/europe-on-high-alert-after-suspected-moscow-linked-arson-and-sabotage

There was also a potentially suspicious incident at a S Wales arms factory, although the investigation is still ongoing so Russian involvement isn't confirmed. But there have been other incidents in Europe where it has been confirmed including Germany recently (https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/russian-saboteurs-behind-arson-attackat-german-factory-c13b4ece ) and Czechia, that one was quite a few years ago now.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/explosion-major-bae-systems-arms-29012349

Russia's shadow war
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/10/europe/russia-shadow-war-nato-intl-latam/index.html

Russia's already attacking the UK from within, it's called Hybrid warfare
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-says-russian-hybrid-attack-intensify-members-territories-2024-05-02/

Bojo wouldn't allow the investigation into Russian funding of Brexit to be released which says a lot in itself, but Farage is clearly a stooge for the Kremlin. Certainly Russia's been interfering in British politics for a long time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Committee_Russia_report

and Russia's interfered in Scottish politics https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/508266-uk-intelligence-report-says-russia-meddled-in-scottish-independence/ ... plenty more evidence but this is more than enough!

Can you clarify what exactly do you mean by “wants”?
It is a bit unclear from your post.

Other countries like Estonia and Latvia were also in the USSR, all the way up to East Germany. Many of these countries are NATO members.

Putin is intent on wiping out Ukraine as a nation. Ukrainian children have been taken from their communities and forcibly adopted in Russis to be made into good Russian citizens. That is not just reclaiming non existent borders.

Any negotiating should be on Ukraine's terms, and should start with Russia getting back to the pre 2014 borders, and then giving ground to a buffer zone. It should certainly mean all those children being reunited with their families, and Russia paying to rebuild what it has destroyed.

We should be fully supporting Ukraine in this.

I'm glad that Labour has continued the commitment to supper Ukraine.

As others have said, Ukraine wouldn't be the end of Russian ambitions There really are, unfortunately, parallels with the appeasement strategy of the 1930s.

The Baltic states have been explicit about the risk: that Russia's strategy is to take a little, re-group and then take more

The West didn't react properly when Russia invaded Crimea. The consequence was that Russia was emboldened to continue into the rest of Ukraine. Putin has stated explicitly that he doesn't consider Ukraine to be a sovereign state.

Ukraine is the only country in the world to have voluntarily given up its nuclear weapons, which was codified in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. This guaranteed that its sovereignty would be protected. Russia, USA and the UK committed then to support Ukraine in the event of any aggression against Ukraine.

Unfortunately, Russia proved that its commitments to international treaties are worthless. So why should anyone believe that it would respect a "peace treaty" that involves Ukraine giving up its sovereign territories?

So no, I do think it's right that we are continuing to commit resources to Ukraine, for all our safety. If anything, we should be committing more and releasing Ukraine from constraints as to how or where they can use the assets that we send them.