"Prime Minister Keir Starmer recommits to £3 billion a year of military support for Ukraine until 2030/31 and for as long as needed"

You mean like Putin pushing over 500,000 of his people into the slaughter, young and old?

Well I agree with you there 100% about not sending teenagers to war, but what you posted appears to be about what an Ex US Ambassador to NATO has said? So this is not coming from NATO itself? - but it is hard to properly comment without having access to a reliable link.

I never mentioned the UK NATO seems to be pushing Ukraine to total mobilization of their people including their youths. As the ex US Ambassador to NATO says it's currently being fought by soldiers with an average age of 40 years.Old people pushing teenagers into the slaughter, not a good look.

We also need the food the Ukraine provide to Europe.

Ex US Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder exhorts Ukraine to think about how important this war is for them, and to start mobilizing 18 year olds. He states that NATO troops will never be deployed in the future if Ukraine does not first mobilize it's youth for war.

https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1811113172868243554

Something more reliable than a Reddit link that tells me there is mature content that I can't access without using the app (which I don't have) would be helpful! Ta.

Eta: I managed to read a bit of it. Nothing about UK conscripting 18 year olds. So not sure of relevance to a thread about UK's funding of Ukraine?

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1dzpuqp/uapovexusambassadortonatoivodaalder/ - it's in Ukraine he says there should be total mobilization from Ukrainians before any other country should need to have boots on the ground.

Who is talking about conscripting18 year olds in the UK? Do you have a link please?

Crazy amounts of money to continue a war that is being lost and they are talking about conscripting 18 years olds.

We should have referendum on this..

Agreed!

I would rather pay any amount than for my son to have to fight the Russians on UK soil.

The Kremlin has already deployed weapons to the UK. Let's not forget that.

Putin won't stop with Ukraine.

I'd be happy for £3 billion of military aid to go to Ukraine every year, many times more in fact. And pony up more taxes to fund it, if necessary.

I would rather pay any amount than for my son to have to fight the Russians on UK soil.

Can I remind you of a pp PizzaHearts point:

Ukraine hosted nuclear weapons at the moment of Soviet Unions collapse and then agreed to transfer them to Russia in exchange for assurances from Russia, UK and USA to respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in existing borders. UK is part of this treaty. UK promised to guarantee Ukrainian independence and sovereignty.

Had we and the USA not convinced Ukraine to hand their nuclear weapons over to russia Ukraine would not have been invaded.
We guaranteed their sovereignty, under those circumstances how can anyone believe we are doing too much. We really aren't doing enough.

The Daily Mail has reported on the analysis of this. Here you go…

www.dailymail.co.uk/money/investing/article-13604661/What-Labour-mean-investment-returns-Prime-Ministers-fared-1970.html

I hate the DM. But it’s a right leaning ‘paper’ and this is what it says;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/investing/article-13604661/What-Labour-mean-investment-returns-Prime-Ministers-fared-1970.html

I don’t even know where to start with this.

For anyone who thinks that Russia isn't trying to attack:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/us-germany-foiled-russian-assassination-plot/index.html

US intelligence discovered earlier this year that the Russian government planned to assassinate the chief executive of a powerful German arms manufacturer that has been producing artillery shells and military vehicles for Ukraine, according to five US and western officials familiar with the episode.
The plot was one of a series of Russian plans to assassinate defense industry executives across Europe who were supporting Ukraine’s war effort, these sources said. The plan to kill Armin Papperger, a white-haired goliath who has led the German manufacturing charge in support of Kyiv, was the most mature.
When the Americans learned of the effort, they informed Germany, whose security services were then able to protect Papperger and foil the plot. A high-level German government official confirmed that Berlin was warned about the plot by the US.

That you Nige?

I did.

I don’t need to. Look it up.

Not a Starmer fan, in fact I intensely dislike him but he is right to commit to Ukraine.

For all our sakes.

This isn't about Ukraine, it's about keeping Putin in check and frankly I'm far from convinced the Western powers shouldn't put boots on the ground.

Yet more money and people being thrown into the meat grinder for no good reason. Why is NATO getting involved