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To expect husband to contribute more to the trip

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Anuta77 · 11/07/2024 04:56

We rarely go on vacation because we have a lot of expenses.
DH needs to go to a professional conference in an interesting city in another country. He has to pay the conference fees (he needs to go to get points to stay in his professional organization), and obviously accomodation, car rental, etc.
He suggested that I go with him, so we have a vacation without the kids.
Im totally fine with paying for my plane ticket and half for car rental and accomodation, however I realize that by coming with him, hes saving compared to going alone and he will be able to write down these expenses in his tax report. Not me.
Somewhere deep down, I feel that he could contribute more to this so called vacation. It isnt really a convenient moment for me, its not my first choice for a destination and I have to make arrangements for the kids which is really stressful for me.
AIBU?

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Justanothermum42 · 18/07/2024 17:11

Anuta77 · 11/07/2024 05:36

I dont know how much he has in his personal account. Do other spouses check each others personal accounts? I only know what we put and that is half half. He makes somewhat more than me.

Yes, I know how much he has. I know how much he has in savings too. It’s our money. We have a joint account where we both put money in. We also have a joint savings account, I have my own accounts too and he knows how much I have. We see all money as ‘our’ money , always. We are in this relationship together.

NoThanksymm · 16/07/2024 16:19

Why would you pay half to tag along? Maybe half of the non tax deductible stuff.

like he still pays as if it’s just him. Then at dinner you get separate bills. BUT he takes the expensive main, 2-3 drinks and shared appie. Cause that can be claimed too!

i don’t know how your finances work, or if he’s just weird about stuff. But when you divorce or die it all works out regardless - unless you have a prenup in certain countries.

so yeah it’s weird. Also weird he’s just abandoning you with the kids, hasn’t even offered to look for a sitter?? It’s his reason for being away, why do you get default parenting? Cause you have a vagina - yeah - Happens to us all.

all over a bit strange. Your spidey sense are tingling for a reason.

worst is, if you don’t make him get it his opinion will be that he offered you a weekend away, and you don’t want it and are mad. So make sure you talk!

Luckylu123 · 15/07/2024 23:14

This is weird, you’re married, presumably for a long time since you have several children old enough to be left. I don’t understand why you’re nit picking over how this trip is being paid for? I get having personal accounts (my husband and I still do) but this trip is his work expense, it should come from his business money, and your expenses over there that can’t be claimed back are family/household money and any return he gets with tax should be part of family/household money too. IMO if something like this causes nit picking, the percentages in personal accounts is too high, more funds need to be channeled into household/family expenses

Ioverslept · 15/07/2024 16:55

Sounds like you don't really want to go and it will probably be overall cheaper and more simple if he goes on his own, after all isn't it a work trip?

rookiemere · 15/07/2024 16:50

I get your point OP.
I'd suggest a separate trip, or you come once the conference is finished so all expenses are properly joint,rather than a tax dodge for him.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 15/07/2024 16:43

I wouldn’t go - sounds far too complicated and not fun for you

J0S · 15/07/2024 16:33

crumblingschools · 11/07/2024 05:41

If he earns more than you he should be putting more in the joint account, not 50:50. Usual way is you have equal personal spends but split bills according to income

This, you should be paying in proportion to your income.

or paying in everything and then taking back the same amount each for personal spends.

make sure you take account of pension contributions- lots of men seem to “ forget” that’s essentially a personal savings account and treat it as a joint expense.

Andthereitis · 15/07/2024 16:29

He can't have it both ways to claim business expenses and from you.

Werweisswohin · 15/07/2024 08:25

Are you committed to going? Doesn't actually sound like much fun imho.

WindsurfingDreams · 15/07/2024 08:23

I don't understand relationships like this when you are both married. It's so strangely transactional. It doesn't sound like a partnership never mind a marriage

Carebearsonmybed · 14/07/2024 18:55

Why are you with him?

It doesn't sound like dc is happy.

JTtheee · 14/07/2024 17:51

Anuta77 · 11/07/2024 05:36

I dont know how much he has in his personal account. Do other spouses check each others personal accounts? I only know what we put and that is half half. He makes somewhat more than me.

I don’t get separate money when married. It’s probably down to my DH and I getting together quite young and earning equally. But it must be so messy when you have separate accounts. Not sure I could cope.
for about 6 years my DH earned significantly more than me while I was on Mat leave then went PT. Neither of us questioned splitting everything 50/50

i get paid into our spending account. He gets paid into the bills. Anything left over from the bills gets split 50/50 into his isa and mine.

we never argue over money.

GingerPirate · 14/07/2024 16:44

Just don't go, then.
And when talking to him, don't say "could you",
say "would you or will you" .
It gets there better.

Noglitterallowed · 14/07/2024 15:51

Are you pissed because he can claim it back and you can’t?

burnoutbabe · 14/07/2024 15:34

I think )accountant)
He pays his flight and accommodation
You pay your flight
Then you share food /going out
Only changes if actually the hotel he'd book on his own is bargain bucket cheap and with you it will actually be a different nicer place.

Vonesk · 14/07/2024 15:26

All these posts about penny pinching are so shocking. Im speechless , these people are in MARRIAGES......Will you also be having meals on the trip ????? Im soooooooo confused!!!!!!!!!! Will you be having ' Afters ?'....... Some people dont have any self worth. Ive had more input from casual friendships. And as a Married woman with family I NEVER PAID A PENNY towards anything financially. Mind I did everything in the house and even had granted allowance.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 11/07/2024 23:35

TargetPractice11 · 11/07/2024 22:59

I'm guessing he'll tax deduct the entirety of the hotel etc. the receipts will just have the total on it.

So he'll be getting a tax benefit on money she paid.

Bloody hell, good point!

TargetPractice11 · 11/07/2024 22:59

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 11/07/2024 18:38

So not only will you be paying 50% he'll be claiming tax deductions from his half. Everything that's tax deductible should come from his personal / business account and you can pay for flights and extra food etc. Otherwise let him go alone. He sounds very mean.

I'm guessing he'll tax deduct the entirety of the hotel etc. the receipts will just have the total on it.

So he'll be getting a tax benefit on money she paid.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/07/2024 19:54

Anuta77 · 11/07/2024 06:08

If we contribute 50-50 and our tickets cost the same, its the same thing as if each of us was paying for the ticket from our personal accounts.
If he goes alone, he pays car rental and accomodation from his personal account, i.e. alone.
If he goes with me, the car rental and accomodation come from our joint account, i.e. we are paying for it 50-50, so he is saving 50%.

Why can he not just pay for all the things he'd have to pay for if he was going alone and you pay for your flight?

I don't see why you should be subsidising his work trip.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 11/07/2024 18:38

So not only will you be paying 50% he'll be claiming tax deductions from his half. Everything that's tax deductible should come from his personal / business account and you can pay for flights and extra food etc. Otherwise let him go alone. He sounds very mean.

TargetPractice11 · 11/07/2024 18:26

He's not generous towards you with money. That's very hurtful and disappointing.

You can only control yourself though, you can't make him something he isn't.

It's primarily a work trip, you didn't choose the destination and presumably he'll be occupied during the day with his conference or training for a significant part of it.

I'd say to him that you think it would be more appropriate for the expenses to come from his personal/business account. You're happy to pay for your own flight from your account and then split meals etc with him. Because you're tagging along on a work trip, not planning a vacation of your choosing. Plus the tax thing is a bit of double dipping.

Does he have a lot of good qualities?

You should be able to talk about money without arguing, that's not a good state of affairs

Anuta77 · 11/07/2024 15:30

Coffeerum · 11/07/2024 10:28

But then on top of that is OP’s plane ticket which is a shared cost, as would the meals, any attractions, if they are staying for longer etc. The suggestion by him to turn it into a vacation together surely carries much more costs than a basic work trip for a conference for just himself? Room
service for one is a lot cheaper than a nice 3 course date night out for 2. So it’s not like he’s making a profit on OP’s attendance.

Hahaha, a 3 course date nights out LOL. Im laughing because it doesnt occur to him and in reality its sad.
Of course, if hes alone he would eat whatever and with me, it would be nicer, but it would be shared and that is normal (for me). He is still getting a price reduction for accomodation and car rental and in reality, its about offering to treat me at least for something.

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Anuta77 · 11/07/2024 15:06

Coffeerum · 11/07/2024 08:11

but Im just sad that he can never propose to put more than me, especially in this case where he needs to go anyway and me coming helps him financially.

Does it really help him financially though? Before he paid for the hotel and car rental with joint money, which then was a tax deductible expense or covered by his employer it’s not really clear.
Now your plane ticket and meals, attractions etc to make it a holiday and etc are all coming from the joint account on top of his expenses coming from the joint so it sounds similar to if he was paying for just himself.

No, if both plane tickets come from the joint account where we both put 50-50, its the same thing as if each of us paid from our personal account. So at the end, its equivalent to everyone paying for himself, but if I didnt come everything would have been paid from his personal account.

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Anuta77 · 11/07/2024 15:03

Maria1979 · 11/07/2024 06:50

So you don't know if he asked you to come just in order to be able to use the joint account.. is he normally stingy? This would make me not want to go as I don't know if it's my company he wants or just the cost reduction. Tell him you want to plan something for both of you when it's more convenient for you to leave and to a destination you would really like to visit. I mean, if you need to be frugal after a holiday atleast make sure you enjoy it!
Another thing: if your DS was abandonned by his father how come your partner has not adopted him if he's young. It would make sense and your DS wouldn't feel different from your other DC.. just a thought..

I know its not just for the money, he wants my company, but he also wants the price reduction. Yes, hes not known to be generous, but its not to the point of ridiculous. I think he really thinks that its fine to put everything as joint expenses and he doesnt feel the need to treat me (with money), other than for my birthday or mothers day.
He has his own 3 children and again, hes not the warmest man in the world and my son was/is very shy, so the adoption question never occured to anyone.

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Codlingmoths · 11/07/2024 11:01

Can you take some time off on your own op? Without the stingy fucker, it sounds like you need it.