To ban crossbows & Military style knives in UK?

No, we do and should ban things that give you no fucking chance to fight back against, like big fuck off knives, automatic weapons, handguns, and crossbows.

Amen to this. It's lovely some people have a hobby playing with these things and its a lovely community and it helps my MH blah di blah di blah. I'm sure people could have said the same about gun clubs, or fan clubs of ninja weapons paraphenalia. Find a hobby that doesnt include weapons, cant be that hard.

The more weapons are banned the better. It's a weak argument to say well a killer will find a way of killing, but what about those that are killing because the weapons are readily available. It's all about reducing the risk and if you cant understand that then there's something wrong.

You have no chance to fight off someone with a kitchen knife, a baseball bat. An axe in the context these women died.

amd the argument here is not to ban cross bows as someone went mad in a shopping centre, thr argument is to ban them as a man killed three women in their home. In this context , fine ban them but it would have made no difference.

So it should be divided into categories?

Weapons you stand a chance of escaping or fighting someone off who is using them. If you didn't try hard enough then it's on you

And weapons you stand no chance so let's ban them.

It sounds like the Hunger Games and still implies if you didn't try hard enough to defend yourself then tough.

It solves that particular problem with crossbows, or at least makes them a damned sight harder to get hold of.

It's a bit infantile to think you can make a piece of legislation that should end all woes.

Just because murder is illegal and people still get murdered does not mean we should not have the law in place.

I'm not lazy and I've read them but your coming across as though a ban on crossbows will solve the problem of men killing women. It won't.

So I ask, what will the outcome of banning them be?

Banning an item doesn't mean the man will no longer kill.

The real action needs to be how these men are dealt with but no one seems to want to punish them, just ban things and hope that solves it.

Stupid questions, shall we ban knives, shall we ban hammers, shall we ban cricket bats?

No, we do and should ban things that give you no fucking chance to fight back against, like big fuck off knives, automatic weapons, handguns, and crossbows.

Have a look will you when someone goes made with a knife in a shopping centre - still horrible, but compare it to the carnage with a automatic weapon. Had the murderer used a crossbow or gun instead of a hammer, all the Russells would be dead.

I'm not an incel. I'm a 45 yo grandmother. My DH is a 60 yo man who is nothing but gentle and would never harm anybody. My daughter is 15 and wants to be a lawyer. We all own bows and shoot in this country. It's been brilliant for our mental Heath and overcoming focus problems with ADHD etc. The community spirit is wonderful and in summer we have big club bbqs at our range after we shoot. We socialise at the pub after we do their lessons and have guest speakers once a month. There are 150 members in our group and we have a Paralympic and invictus athlete. We aren't doing anything wrong.

I hope if bows are banned then cars are too. And ladders. Trains. Dog leads. Ice. Trees. Necessary ask these things are involved in many many more avoidable deaths.

So what will happen after crossbows are banned?

@YellowphantGrey It wont cure all ills but it removes some of the weapons available to them so yes every little helps. As I said earlier, handguns banned in UK since 1997, and more restrictive laws on Samurai Sword and other such nonsense since 2008. UK govt just needs to keep up this trend and remove as much temptation as possible.

The only problem I can see is the problem of men killing women and there being no real consequence for them. They don't see what they've done is wrong and then get given a feeble prison sentence.

Do you think banning crossbows and knives means men won't kill again?

Not this nonsensical argument.

If you cant see the differece between a hammer, a rolling pin or a cricket bat, compared to bowie knives or crossbows then we have a problem.

I think the op and some posters are failing to understand banning cross bows isn’t going to save even one woman.

What happens after you've banned crossbows and the next man kills a woman by using a cricket bat? Ban the cricket bat?

Anything can be used as a weapon to kill and anyone in the mind of killing will make anything work to be a weapon.

What needs to change is how these men are dealt with. Sadly, there are always people that will make an excuse for them and there isn't a deterrent to stop men from doing this. Even other men defend them.

The argument that 99.9% of crossbow owners and rambo knife enthusiasts are either harmless incels or like playing Ray Mears in the field still doesnt wash. Find a different hobby or something else to collect.
Remember we used to allow handguns in the UK, but that was outlawed in 1997 after Dunblane. Again I'm sure the vast majority of the weirdos who used to frequent gun clubs with them had no intention of killing anyone, but there comes a point when the government has to put an end to these lethal "hobbies".

Sadly, I'm not sure in this case legislation around crossbows would have saved the poor women who were murdered this week. We will never know for sure and I totally agree that violence against women is not going to stop with such a ban.

I do however think it is ridiculous that a distance weapon with a multi thousand year history of effectiveness is available so freely and without more regulation.

Well considering they were found in different rooms, that’s total nonsense. And of course a man armed with a knife could kill them.