To ban crossbows & Military style knives in UK?

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” Abraham Lincoln

Yes both are necessary but calling for immediate crossbow bans and ignoring other factors will make zero difference.

Less then 10 people died by crossbow over a 10 year period, I can't see a ban happening any time soon so people are better focusing on campaigning for tighter regulations than berating people here who think a ban will be ineffective

There is an existing law on the storage of weapons if under 18s have access to the property

Police guidance recommends a lockable gun type cabinet, but any weapon including ‘low power air weapons’ should be stored under a lock, with ammunition etc separate.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64b7b73a0ea2cb001315e5cc/Air_weapons_safety_leaflet_6-4.pdf

I didn't say you hadn't said about no licence but other posters have, so it was more generalised comments to the thread rather than a specific individual.

Banning won't ever happen now, like with guns.

So strict restrictions, licensing and registration, etc. is what is needed.

Obviously repercussions for male violence is necessary. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

But it's not an either or situation. Both are necessary.

It would lower the risk of being killed by a particular weapon but it wouldn't lower the risk of being killed by a man.

I remember exactly the same kind of whataboutery after Dunblane, as if the (thankfully already limited) rights of gun enthusiasts were more important than innocent lives.

Crossbows are lethal weapons. They are in fact so effective that Pope Innocent III tried to ban their use (against Christians) in the Middle Ages. Nothing is going to convince me that them being freely available for purchase is a good thing and if people want to use them legitimately for target shooting, surely they would agree to them being heavily regulated and under lock and key at licensed clubs when not in use.

Wanting this does mean simplistically thinking that it will make violence against women go away.

@YellowphantGrey Don't you think a ban might lead to a reduction in people getting seriously hurt or killed?

I've not once said they shouldn't be licensed or monitored, show me where you think I've said this?

What I did say was banning them won't achieve much. It won't make them disappear, it won't stop men killing women and it won't end male on female violence.

Until men begin to learn shame and embarrassment and right and wrong, frantically banning everything that will kill someone won't have the impact some people think it will.

It is no longer the law to train with a bow, and it’s also not legal to kill the welsh

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/i-want-a-swan#

That may be the main purpose now. It wasn't initially. As another poster mentioned they were created as weapons initially.

However, if sport - licence them in the way that guns used for sport are licences and registered. What's the problem with doing that? It is what we do with guns. Why not a powerful weapon like a crossbow?

So what is the main purpose of a crossbow?

To repair our mental health.

I want a Challenger 3 for mine (you should read some of my posts....).

*They are used in sports, like archery and used to be used for hunting but aren't anymore.

They were not created especially for men to kill women.*

So they were created to kill - which is what hunting is. . Not women no, but animals. A crossbow's main purpose is to kill something. .

If they are now used mainly for sport then why not have similar licenses to the types of guns used for sport? Licences, registration, locked cabinets, restricted places they can be used, kept in sports facilities, etc.

Why exactly do they need to be so easy to buy and own? Why can they be bought and owned by absolutely anyone and kept in their own homes?

The arguments against crossbows by several posters are pretty much the same ones used to protect gun ownership in the IS.

I've said banning crossbows won't make a difference. The biggest thing needs to be the consequence for men that choose to kill women.

Banning things is a tiny thing that won't have any impact.

I'm not entirely sure on what you expect me to say? I don't agree with one of your points so you've gone on to call me lazy and not reading properly and now leaving pointing figures and capitalised words.

People are allowed to disagree with part of your statements you know, it doesn't make them wrong.

How has that got any relevance to anything? You could kill someone with a piece of paper as well.

So what is the main purpose of a crossbow?

do you not know? Shooting arrows for sport. Archery.

I hope if bows are banned then cars are too. And ladders. Trains. Dog leads. Ice. Trees. Necessary ask these things are involved in many many more avoidable deaths.

The main purpose of a car is transport. You need a licence to drive one, tax to have one in the road, etc.

The main purpose of a ladder is to reach something at height.

The main purpose of a train is mass public transportation. You need a licence and more to drive one.

The main purpose of a dog lead is to safely control a dog when out in public.

The main purpose of ice is to make or keep something cold.

The main purpose of a tree is to provide oxygen into our air and to provide fruit and nuts for animals including us. Trees are necessary for survival.

So what is the main purpose of a crossbow?

You can kill someone with a kitchen knife, not even a particularly large kitchen knife, if you know where to cut.

They are used in sports, like archery and used to be used for hunting but aren't anymore.

They were not created especially for men to kill women.

This. Also properly fund women's refuges and shelters. Make it so Family Courts don't allow men to use children to harass mothers. Celebrate single-motherhood and single mothers who've left. Real research into men and women who are 'circuit breakers' in their families who stop the pattern of generational violence. Train every person who touches the life of a child in violence prevention and trauma informed practise. Real intervention in childhood for violence. Address CSA and other ACE properly. Empower girls and women. If we addressed the pay gap and child-caring breaks, women would financially be able to leave more easily and earlier. Be honest about DV. Once a man has done it once, he will do it again. He shouldn't be in a relationship. Treat misogyny like radicalisation, because that's what it is.

We could reduce male violence. We just don't. Banning a form of weapon that has been used a tiny tiny fraction of times feels like 'something'. But that's dangerous. Because we did 'something' which will make no difference at all we walk away feeling better. Male violence carries on unabated.

I go to work today hoping one of the the women I'm supporting hasn't died. Like she almost did last week. No weapon of any kind involved, except a male body.

@MrHarleyQuin Im loving your posts and some PP are just being obtuse.

So men only kill because specific weapons exist and if they didn't, they wouldn't kill?

You also sound angry and aggressive. Probably the type who should also be kept away from weapons if you get this angry over an opinion.

Exactly.

It's so fucking obvious.

My argument here was to talk about the relative harm which can be caused quickly by items which are designed and intended as weapons.

Which should be abundantly clear.

Have all the fucking thick incel men descended this afternoon or are other mums that stupid?

What happens after you've banned crossbows and the next man kills a woman by using a cricket bat? Ban the cricket bat?

A cricket bat's main outride is for sport, but violence.

What is the main purpose of a crossbow?

Who is killing simply as the weapons are readily available? Who? Thats not a thing,