£35.50 to take a car into London 😲

According to Wikipedia cc zone has 136k people and Brighton 628k.

Are you confusing CC and ULEZ?

How would rationing help people who need to drive into London every day? Would they only be allowed in say 3 days a week? I can’t see how that would help anyone.
Please can someone explain the rationing idea.

London may have brilliant public transport but considering it costs me £50 return to get there, it’s still cheaper for me to drive and my train line is so unreliable.

Somebody desperately needs to tackle the cost of train travel if they want more people to use it.

You’re about ten years late with that argument.

Edit- no, 20! It was introduced in 2003! Time flies.

I've got a question about all these people who are apparently driving in to the CC zone for shift work who, for whatever reason, can't use public transport. Where are they parking? All the car park costs in the very centre of London that I've seen would dwarf the CC.

The congestion zone has a similar population to the whole of Brighton. I can’t really imagine people dismissing the residents of a city this size by saying there aren’t enough of them to bother about.

Do you really think that shift workers drive to work and park? Where are they parking?

Over 90% of cars affected by the expanded ULEZ were already compliant before the expansion. For vans I think it was more like 80%.

For people like your husband and your friends who are driving in London on business then the ULEZ is simply a transport-related cost of that business. Just like fuel, tax, and insurance.

ULEZ isn't a great way to try to reduce the literally deadly air pollution problems in London but I've yet to hear any better ideas. I used to live in London and I've still got family there. The improvement in air quality over the last few years is noticeable.

Ok maybe the food is only delivered by motorbike ( although I personally know car drivers who deliver food in London)

Doesn't solve problems with shift workers though. Ok when they START their shift they may be no charges for whatever but what when they head home? For example if u work 6-2 which is a common shift. Drive in for that but charging times are 7-7. Well you are going to get stung going home then lol

It’s interesting that most people against this charge don’t actually live in London.

Unless you are using your vehicle to do deliveries - in which case it is a business expense - go by train.

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than drive a car into central London. Public transport in London is excellent, and cheap, there is no need to drive in.

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than drive a car into central London. Public transport in London is excellent, and cheap, there is no need to drive in.

Very few people working inside the congestion zone will drive to work. The vast majority will use public transport, not just because of the driving charges, but because parking in scares and very expensive and it's often quicker on tube etc as the roads are busy.

Yeah. And then used as a weapon against the Labour party for extending it

I'm a person with asthma who has noticed the improvement in air quality since my bit of London went into the ULEZ. I'm quite near Lewisham where a child died from air pollution in recent years, and many others will have had persistent health problems that didn't hit the headlines. Its a difficult problem to solve because ULEZ does have repercussions for hard working poor people however if anything is a human right then breathing clean air has to be at the top of the list

I'm trying to understand how the idea of "rationing" miles travelled in London could work. Because on the face of it I can't see how it wouldn't be easily circumvented and so would end up being pointless and/or incredibly expensive to run.

If you want to interpret that as me preferring rich people then go ahead, knock yourself out. It's probably easier for you to try to dismiss basic questions like this instead of explaining how your idea would actually be achievable.

Price the cost of ULEZ/parking/whatever into their quote. Which I'm sure they're already doing.

Indeed. There always seems to be a lot of people with hardly any knowledge of how London actually works with strangely strong opinions about the congestion charge and ULEZ.

Motorbikes don’t pay congestion charge. Nobody delivers food in cars in London.

For shift workers, congestion charge is not payable during times public transport not running.

For people who live in the CC zone and have to pay trades more to cover the charge, the CC has been going for over a decade, it’s long been priced into their lives and services.

I’d rather use a trade with a ULEZ compliant vehicle than pay the charge to enable one to pollute near my home. If the charge wasn’t expressly broken down as part of the bill then it would be up to them whether their quote overall was competitive.

In the congestion charge zone the majority of food delivery "drivers" use bikes.

Hmm depends on the business. For example if you deliver food for Just eats then you are offered a certain amount of money per job. No charging extra and passing on to the customer.

Blame everyone who voted S Khan

So the people that are too poor to drive in London now have to pay extra to have work done on their houses to cover the charge.

Not very socialist.

Of course it is possible.

But if you'd rather the rich be allowed to do as they please, to be allowed to pollute and pay, then just admit it.

But how can a Labour run city agree to this.