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TRIGGER WARNING - Guy murders girlfriend - everyone says what a great guy he was!

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HerNameWasLauren · 10/07/2024 17:38

AIBU to find the outpouring of grief and sympathy about the death of Daniel Duffield, just because he was on a TV documentary, sick and shocking!

He murdered his girlfriend before killing himself - she was just 22. There is often no mention of her in the sympathy posts.

Even worse, some of Duffield’s family have allegedly publicly blamed Lauren for her own murder by saying she drove him to it!

How twisted can you be? ! I don’t even think they were even in a relationship for that long!

I cannot imagine what Lauren’s family have been going through seeing all posts about what a great guy Duffield was. Some of the SM posts excusing it due to his alleged MH issues have really disturbed me. I have a DD the same age and would just go absolutely insane if her murderer was given the same sympathy as Duffield has been.

Why are the police not saying he murdered her? They have stated her death is being treated as murder and they are not looking for anyone else! Apparently locally there are allegations that he slit her throat. Also allegations that there were DV allegations relating to a previous girlfriend and Lauren.

AIBU? It seems to be about protecting him with Lauren as an afterthought. Just look at the headline for example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyx5r2g0klro.amp

Daniel Duffield

Daniel Duffield: Inquest opens into death of paramedic at house - BBC News

Circumstances surrounding the death of Daniel Duffield and student nurse Lauren Evans are being probed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyx5r2g0klro.amp

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veritusverity · 10/07/2024 21:26

Urgh ....'no one else can. Sorry can't edit on the app

veritusverity · 10/07/2024 21:25

WithACatLikeTread · 10/07/2024 21:19

I don't get why if you are feeling suicidal you have to take others with you. Just end your own life instead.

Because in many cases it's a case of 'if I can't have you, no one else can't.
It's the last bit of control a man person has over you.

WithACatLikeTread · 10/07/2024 21:19

I don't get why if you are feeling suicidal you have to take others with you. Just end your own life instead.

LindorDoubleChoc · 10/07/2024 21:13

JFC, just read the gushing posts about him on Stoke On Trent Live!! Making me feel actually sick, what on earth are those people thinking?

Daleksatemyshed · 10/07/2024 21:06

His family loved him and can't bring themselves to believe that not only is he dead but that he was an abuser as well. How often do you see people who visit family in prison even when found guilty of the most horrible offenses. It's so much easier for his family to believe he was a victim then see him as he really was because then they'd have to admit they're guilty too, if they'd intervened sooner it might never have come to this

Didimum · 10/07/2024 20:56

HerNameWasLauren · 10/07/2024 20:48

Not a coincidence on my part. Not sure what you’re implying? Something just popped up on my SM feed earlier which was a screenshot of the Facebook post Duffield’s sister allegedly posted then removed. It was sickening. I hadn’t seen the news about the despicable murder of those 3 poor women who would have seen the others being killed before the last one was.

It’s not exactly the same issue from what I’ve seen in the press, Clifford had not committed suicide at the scene. There is no outpouring of sympathy for him. He was found injured but we can only hope the evil bastard dies in pain from his wounds so his victims family don’t have to think about him still being able to breathe in prison and potentially being let out at some point.

Calm down, I literally just meant it’s a coincidence – not sarcasm. I am referring to the significant criticism online that 1) most news outlets are reporting that those that knew him all say what a great guy he is and 2) that this is a more common narrative when the perpetrator is white.

As a side note, I think most victims and relatives of prefer their attackers come to justice rather than die senselessly beforehand.

HerNameWasLauren · 10/07/2024 20:48

Didimum · 10/07/2024 20:09

A big coincidence this is posted today with the capture of Kyle Clifford. Exactly the same issue.

Not a coincidence on my part. Not sure what you’re implying? Something just popped up on my SM feed earlier which was a screenshot of the Facebook post Duffield’s sister allegedly posted then removed. It was sickening. I hadn’t seen the news about the despicable murder of those 3 poor women who would have seen the others being killed before the last one was.

It’s not exactly the same issue from what I’ve seen in the press, Clifford had not committed suicide at the scene. There is no outpouring of sympathy for him. He was found injured but we can only hope the evil bastard dies in pain from his wounds so his victims family don’t have to think about him still being able to breathe in prison and potentially being let out at some point.

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Tootingbec · 10/07/2024 20:23

It’s never a suicide pact.

They are not driven to it by jealousy because she was having an affair

It is never a sex game gone wrong.

Every journalist needs to read Control by Jame Monkton-Smith

Didimum · 10/07/2024 20:09

A big coincidence this is posted today with the capture of Kyle Clifford. Exactly the same issue.

mommatoone · 10/07/2024 20:05

cupcaske123 · 10/07/2024 18:38

Duffield’s sister posted a vile Facebook post where she said Lauren ‘pushed him over the edge’ and his apparent Uncle also posted that her murder was her fault. Absolutely disgusting and disturbing.

If this is true, they are obviously a very dysfunctional family.

Yes as pp have said, it looks like previous reports of DV have been made and the police didn't protect her.

Maybe that's why the Police are not revealing much else. Plus if this was the case, they would be referred to the IPCC

chosenone · 10/07/2024 19:35

How awful. I agree that initially it seemed like a sucidie pact or something. Reporting very sympathetic to him initially. A few comments on the new post are focusing on her and her family rather than his. Sad for them but he was a murderer not the ‘nicest guy/ the best’ etc.

HerNameWasLauren · 10/07/2024 19:31

Deebee90 · 10/07/2024 19:01

He’s a murdering scumbag. She was from my area and she was told numerous times to leave him as he brought her down with his mental health. He was also known to stalk his ex . His family make me absolutely sick. To blame an angel Lauren because they have a murderer in the family is shameful. Everyone knows the truth , she was innocent and should have been protected by police. They let her down they all have .

She’d just qualified as a Mental Health nurse. I wonder if she thought she could help him? Poor, poor girl.

I can’t fathom the mentality of posting shit on SM about a young woman your brother/family member had horrifically murdered.

I hope her family speak out.

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CoatesCat · 10/07/2024 19:20

I think also he gets this consideration because he was white. If it was a black man there would be less victim blaming.

HerNameWasLauren · 10/07/2024 19:10

Ponoka7 · 10/07/2024 18:35

Taken from one ITV news report,
"The body of Daniel Duffield, 24, was found alongside Lauren Evans, 22, at a house on Alpine Drive in Hednesford on June 25th.
Staffordshire Police is treating Lauren's death as a murder, and the force isn't looking for any other party in connection with her death".

They are really downplaying him being a murderer. The Police have referred themselves because it is looking like they under-reacted to a report of DV, days previously. On top of the Hunt murders today, it shows how at risk we still are as women.

Allegedly there was more than one report of DV, involving an ex girlfriend as well.

Makes you wonder if because he was a ‘hero’ paramedic who’d been on TV, it wasn’t taken seriously.

Most of the time, murder/suicides are confirmed early on, before an inquest, so it odd that this one wasn’t and Duffield has still not been named officially as the perpetrator.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/11/deaths-greenock-alison-neil-mclaughlin-couple-murder-suicide

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/08/mum-of-6-found-dead-ex-husband-coventry-murder-suicide-20606115/amp/

www.lbc.co.uk/news/wife-killed-murder-suicide-grimsby/

Deaths of Greenock couple treated as murder-suicide | UK news | The Guardian

Police found bodies of Alison and Neil McLaughlin at their Inverclyde home after report of concern for their welfare

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/11/deaths-greenock-alison-neil-mclaughlin-couple-murder-suicide

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saturnspinkhoop · 10/07/2024 19:08

ElaineMBenes · 10/07/2024 18:43

Oh I can believe it's true.

Unfortunately a relative of mine died in the exact same circumstances and his family were adamant it was a suicide pact/her fault. Even after the inquest made it clear what had happened they refused to admit their son/brother was a murderer.

Had similar in my family too, so can unfortunately entirely believe it.

Deebee90 · 10/07/2024 19:01

He’s a murdering scumbag. She was from my area and she was told numerous times to leave him as he brought her down with his mental health. He was also known to stalk his ex . His family make me absolutely sick. To blame an angel Lauren because they have a murderer in the family is shameful. Everyone knows the truth , she was innocent and should have been protected by police. They let her down they all have .

ElaineMBenes · 10/07/2024 18:43

cupcaske123 · 10/07/2024 18:38

Duffield’s sister posted a vile Facebook post where she said Lauren ‘pushed him over the edge’ and his apparent Uncle also posted that her murder was her fault. Absolutely disgusting and disturbing.

If this is true, they are obviously a very dysfunctional family.

Yes as pp have said, it looks like previous reports of DV have been made and the police didn't protect her.

Oh I can believe it's true.

Unfortunately a relative of mine died in the exact same circumstances and his family were adamant it was a suicide pact/her fault. Even after the inquest made it clear what had happened they refused to admit their son/brother was a murderer.

TheShellBeach · 10/07/2024 18:42

Yes, as PP have said, it looks like previous reports of DV have been made and the police didn't protect her

Why am I not surprised.
Hmm

cupcaske123 · 10/07/2024 18:38

Duffield’s sister posted a vile Facebook post where she said Lauren ‘pushed him over the edge’ and his apparent Uncle also posted that her murder was her fault. Absolutely disgusting and disturbing.

If this is true, they are obviously a very dysfunctional family.

Yes as pp have said, it looks like previous reports of DV have been made and the police didn't protect her.

Whithersoever · 10/07/2024 18:38

Lengokengo · 10/07/2024 18:10

Whilst it is completely different, my ex boyfriend from uni, after we split up, started stalking me. It was a terrible time. Everyone I knew would say ‘he’s such a great guy.’ They didn’t know about the stalking, manipulation or aggression. I couldn’t tell people as I felt I wouldn’t be believed. I have such sympathy with these women. They are the ones who see all the true sides to these men.

This. They often present as Mr Nice Guy.

Ponoka7 · 10/07/2024 18:35

PiggieWig · 10/07/2024 18:00

The purpose of an inquest is to determine how a person died, so if the conclusion is suicide, they will be more likely to say he is the perpetrator. If it’s unlawful killing (by a third party) then that changes the picture. But as this is only the opening of the inquest, they haven’t established that yet.

Taken from one ITV news report,
"The body of Daniel Duffield, 24, was found alongside Lauren Evans, 22, at a house on Alpine Drive in Hednesford on June 25th.
Staffordshire Police is treating Lauren's death as a murder, and the force isn't looking for any other party in connection with her death".

They are really downplaying him being a murderer. The Police have referred themselves because it is looking like they under-reacted to a report of DV, days previously. On top of the Hunt murders today, it shows how at risk we still are as women.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 10/07/2024 18:35

The way it was initially reported I wondered whether it was a suicide pact. There was that initial reaction we all have about the death of a couple that I questioned because of the reporting- 'oh, so something else then'.

But no.

HerNameWasLauren · 10/07/2024 18:29

I posted that initial article as it clearly stated what was the general consensus from the beginning. That Lauren was the victim.

This below about his colleagues paying tribute was terrible seeing as his colleagues would have been responding to the incident and it would have been obvious early on that Duffield killed himself (he posted a suicide note to IG!) and Lauren’s injuries would have been known.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/west-midlands-ambulance-service-pay-29432485?intsource=ampcontinuereading&intmedium=amp&intcampaign=continuereadingbutton#amp-readmore-target

Duffield’s sister posted a vile Facebook post where she said Lauren ‘pushed him over the edge’ and his apparent Uncle also posted that her murder was her fault. Absolutely disgusting and disturbing.

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noctilucentcloud · 10/07/2024 18:24

I think it's partly because comments were made before it was announced that they were only treating her death as murder (when it was thought to be a double murder), those comments are now out there and can be reused by the media. It's also people trying to rationalise how they knew him with this event, and maybe those things don't match - different people's experiences of one person can be very different.

But it must be very hard for her family and friends as the case has developed.

skeletonbones · 10/07/2024 18:24

Atrocious. Is there anything we can do to ask for the artcle to be changed to focus on the young womans life rather than the murderers?