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Help rid me of this weird woman - please!

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Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

OP posts:
Maisiesmum123 · 12/07/2024 21:18

HelpMeRhondaMe · 12/07/2024 17:32

@housethatbuiltme

Pet is a term of endearment not a vile word

What a stupid irrelevant point. Here it is short for petulant and it's not the word pet in a term of endearment sense.

The phrase is revolting because it's the whole thing together 'put on a pet lip' .

urggh.

I’m from the North East. I’m familiar with the phrase ‘pet lip’ and always thought it meant petulant as opposed to the friendly ‘pet’ short for pet lamb.

HelpMeRhondaMe · 12/07/2024 17:32

@housethatbuiltme

Pet is a term of endearment not a vile word

What a stupid irrelevant point. Here it is short for petulant and it's not the word pet in a term of endearment sense.

The phrase is revolting because it's the whole thing together 'put on a pet lip' .

urggh.

letsallshareanopinion · 12/07/2024 17:25

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 12/07/2024 16:53

OP was so upset about it afterwards she posted the whole convo on here, do you not think that was pretty time consuming?

Not really. It was a longer than average post, but still only a few paragraphs. It couldn’t have taken more than five minutes. Once it’s type, that’s it. You’re talking about pussyfooting around this woman until one of them leaves town or dies.

I don't think saying "really sorry but I just want to go to pub with DH tonight" or "really sorry but can't make it" in response to texts is pussyfooting or hard work. It is clear, honest but not making personal or judgemental or subjective comments about her or burning bridges. Would take a lot more effort to say "I think you are awful, sorry" or "we have nothing in common I think your opinions are ridiculous and your behaviour is weird" and then put up with years of awkwardness in shops, functions where they'd both be, mutual acquaintances, rumours, escalations (this is a rural community). Also, things go wrong sometimes, rurally, and both she and the other woman would be better off feeling they could pick up the phone easily in the case of a genuine emergency.

Why be personal when you can be neutral and still get the same result or better?

Anyway, my advice was "fwiw" only

OverheardInLidl · 12/07/2024 17:22

Foodieasfuck · 12/07/2024 13:58

I really feel for you. I had a pain in the arse ‘friend’ once. Hints didn’t work. She was relentless. Turned up if I was checked in anywhere.. constantly rang and text me. It absolutely spoilt my nights out. After trying many times to let her down gently etc etc I had no choice but to be more blunt (and we fell out)…
I was so relieved. She’s latched on to someone else now..
my advice is to set your boundaries and be firm. No matter how sorry you feel for her dont compromise your life in favour of hers! Good luck OP!

I think we may have had the same "friend" once! Mine used to get extremely jealous upset if I made plans with another friend, she absolutely hated it!

HungryLittleCrocodile · 12/07/2024 17:03

Noononoo · 12/07/2024 16:51

I can’t imagine anyone pawing at my arm. Except my lovely dog of course. I think the truth is the OP dislikes this woman and it doesn’t matter why, such feelings are rarely rational. just avoid her the best you can OP without humiliating her though. She obviously wants you to like her. I feel a bit sad for her.

Yeah that would give me the rage to be honest. It's toddler behaviour, pawing at someone to get their attention. Pathetic. I wouldn't have time for this behaviour to be honest, and would 100% ghost the woman. She sounds horrific!

Beebopmoon · 12/07/2024 17:01

cheddercherry · 10/07/2024 15:57

But if she doesn’t go to the pub with anyone else then surely if you go and don’t invite her/ don’t agree she can meet, she won’t be there?

Honestly I don’t like the ghosting culture, I’d rather be honest and say that it was obvious to everyone last night that you didn’t find her behaviour acceptable or her company enjoyable and it’s in everyone’s best interests not to repeat it. She’s downright offensive so why sugarcoat it, if she can dish it out obnoxiously she should be able to take it. Or do people expect to behave outrageously and everyone simply gloss over their antics?

I’m sure the fellow patrons of the pub would thank you.

This!!!

WoolySnail · 12/07/2024 16:56

No advice OP but I totally get it. I always describe myself as not being a people person but in reality I seem to attract the nut jobs and users of the world and it's just put me off interacting!

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 12/07/2024 16:53

OP was so upset about it afterwards she posted the whole convo on here, do you not think that was pretty time consuming?

Not really. It was a longer than average post, but still only a few paragraphs. It couldn’t have taken more than five minutes. Once it’s type, that’s it. You’re talking about pussyfooting around this woman until one of them leaves town or dies.

Noononoo · 12/07/2024 16:51

I can’t imagine anyone pawing at my arm. Except my lovely dog of course. I think the truth is the OP dislikes this woman and it doesn’t matter why, such feelings are rarely rational. just avoid her the best you can OP without humiliating her though. She obviously wants you to like her. I feel a bit sad for her.

Andwegoroundagain · 12/07/2024 15:25

Probably not worth the aggro of explicitly telling her you don't like her. I'd just fade and avoid

Trixiefirecracker · 12/07/2024 15:23

HelpMeRhondaMe · 12/07/2024 12:45

@PerkyMintDeer PerkyMintDeer · Today 12:36
- I'm Northern...only really lived up here (or in America)...with other Northerners (or Americans)...and still never heard it until yesterday! Neither had my Mum who is much more Northern than me and 80ish!

Thankfully I don't hear it locally or I'd have to move haha...it's giving me the same sensory ick that silly things like nails on a chalkboard or pulling the plug out of dirty dishwasher gives...or being pawed by Zoe!

It's obviously localised regional dialect. The North (!) is a big place and I've never heard it either.

I agree with you about finding it repellent. It's so vile. I think it's because it conjures unpleasant images of a massive protruding wet lip

It’s from the word petulant…very common where I was brought up in Yorkshire.

letsallshareanopinion · 12/07/2024 15:23

@Justcouldnotbitemytongue what conspiracy theories does she talk about/believe in? Just curious!

letsallshareanopinion · 12/07/2024 15:22

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 12/07/2024 08:23

That seems an awful lot of effort to go to to avoid offending a woman you might run into once in a while. What is it you think she’s going to do if OP’s message offends her - have OP and her husband run out of the village with pitchforks? OP has lived there longer than Zoe, apart from anything else!

Being nice about saying no every time she is contacted is a lot less effort than dealing with fallout in this sort of situation, if you live rurally. No effort at all. Route of least resistance. Why do you think OP agreed to meet them at the pub? I wouldn't have, would you? OP was so upset about it afterwards she posted the whole convo on here, do you not think that was pretty time consuming?

alrightluv · 12/07/2024 14:30

@housethatbuiltme I know it's laughable

housethatbuiltme · 12/07/2024 14:21

HelpMeRhondaMe · 12/07/2024 12:45

@PerkyMintDeer PerkyMintDeer · Today 12:36
- I'm Northern...only really lived up here (or in America)...with other Northerners (or Americans)...and still never heard it until yesterday! Neither had my Mum who is much more Northern than me and 80ish!

Thankfully I don't hear it locally or I'd have to move haha...it's giving me the same sensory ick that silly things like nails on a chalkboard or pulling the plug out of dirty dishwasher gives...or being pawed by Zoe!

It's obviously localised regional dialect. The North (!) is a big place and I've never heard it either.

I agree with you about finding it repellent. It's so vile. I think it's because it conjures unpleasant images of a massive protruding wet lip

Why does it make you think 'massive protruding wet lip' any more than 'pout'?

Pet is a term of endearment not a vile word. Are people here seriously saying they have never heard of things like 'Auf Wiedersehen, Pet'.

Or the very well known term 'Pet hate'? its used a light hatred addition to an annoyance.

Their is nothing 'vile' about it... what a strong and bizarre reaction to have to a simple phrase.

Biggleslefae · 12/07/2024 13:59

Foodieasfuck · 12/07/2024 13:58

I really feel for you. I had a pain in the arse ‘friend’ once. Hints didn’t work. She was relentless. Turned up if I was checked in anywhere.. constantly rang and text me. It absolutely spoilt my nights out. After trying many times to let her down gently etc etc I had no choice but to be more blunt (and we fell out)…
I was so relieved. She’s latched on to someone else now..
my advice is to set your boundaries and be firm. No matter how sorry you feel for her dont compromise your life in favour of hers! Good luck OP!

Baby reindeer vibes 😱
Strike hard and strike early or things will get out of hand and it will be very bad 😱

Foodieasfuck · 12/07/2024 13:58

I really feel for you. I had a pain in the arse ‘friend’ once. Hints didn’t work. She was relentless. Turned up if I was checked in anywhere.. constantly rang and text me. It absolutely spoilt my nights out. After trying many times to let her down gently etc etc I had no choice but to be more blunt (and we fell out)…
I was so relieved. She’s latched on to someone else now..
my advice is to set your boundaries and be firm. No matter how sorry you feel for her dont compromise your life in favour of hers! Good luck OP!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 12/07/2024 13:47

Noononoo · 12/07/2024 10:04

She was probably excited had probably had a few before meeting and thought she was being energetic and interesting. Calm down, sit back and watch, smile indulgently be a bit more human and treat her more as an equal. When she states views you don’t agree with just say, I don’t agree don’t get angry. You obviously feel very superior which is not a good look.

Here’s your solution, @Justcouldnotbitemytongue - introduce Zoe to @Noononoo. She can smile indulgently at Zoe, and you can socialise with people who don’t hold abhorrent views.

xILikeJamx · 12/07/2024 13:38

Just call out all of her batshit conspiracies and fascism the instant she says it. She'll soon get bored of you and leave you alone!

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 12/07/2024 13:16

Noononoo · 12/07/2024 10:04

She was probably excited had probably had a few before meeting and thought she was being energetic and interesting. Calm down, sit back and watch, smile indulgently be a bit more human and treat her more as an equal. When she states views you don’t agree with just say, I don’t agree don’t get angry. You obviously feel very superior which is not a good look.

As smug virtuous as that sounds, people have busy lives. I don’t see enough of people I do like. I’m buggered if I’m going to spend my precious free time smiling indulgently at people whose attitudes I find baffling and views I find abhorrent. I could stay at home and watch clips of Nigel Farage for free if that was my idea of entertainment.

HelpMeRhondaMe · 12/07/2024 12:45

@PerkyMintDeer PerkyMintDeer · Today 12:36
- I'm Northern...only really lived up here (or in America)...with other Northerners (or Americans)...and still never heard it until yesterday! Neither had my Mum who is much more Northern than me and 80ish!

Thankfully I don't hear it locally or I'd have to move haha...it's giving me the same sensory ick that silly things like nails on a chalkboard or pulling the plug out of dirty dishwasher gives...or being pawed by Zoe!

It's obviously localised regional dialect. The North (!) is a big place and I've never heard it either.

I agree with you about finding it repellent. It's so vile. I think it's because it conjures unpleasant images of a massive protruding wet lip

PerkyMintDeer · 12/07/2024 12:36

@HelpMeRhondaMe - I'm Northern...only really lived up here (or in America)...with other Northerners (or Americans)...and still never heard it until yesterday! Neither had my Mum who is much more Northern than me and 80ish!

Thankfully I don't hear it locally or I'd have to move haha...it's giving me the same sensory ick that silly things like nails on a chalkboard or pulling the plug out of dirty dishwasher gives...or being pawed by Zoe!

HelpMeRhondaMe · 12/07/2024 12:15

@Shybutrude Shybutrude · Yesterday 22:35
Pet lip is completely normal parlance

It really isn't. I am tertiary educated and have an extremely wide vocabulary. I read an enormous amount across wide fields, professional, academic and fiction and non-fiction. I've never heard this at all or read it in any book fiction or non-fiction

Like @PerkyMintDeer I would have expect to come across it if it were common parlance.

In fact the Oxford English Dictionary describes it as

northern English regional dialect.

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/pet-lip_n?tl=true

So there you go. It's northern. it's regional and its dialect. So not 'completely normal parlance' unless you are northern and using dialect - ie. likely to be found more in working class speech in specified regions.

@PerkyMintDeer
For some irrational reason though, I really don't like the term...gets my heckles up a bit and I won't be using it!

IT'S LIKE ONE MIND. Its the most vile repellent of expressions. I hope to never hear it again in my life.

@AnnieSnap

And pouted wasn’t used in the UK until relatively recently when it travelled here via American films!

Have you lost your mind? Shakespeare uses the work pout!!! It's also in Sheridan's the Rivals which dates from 1775!!

pet-lip, n. meanings, etymology and more | Oxford English Dictionary

pet-lip, n. meanings, etymology, pronunciation and more in the Oxford English Dictionary

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/pet-lip_n?tl=true

OverheardInLidl · 12/07/2024 12:06

Move house and don't tell her (but not before blocking her and her husband on your phone and all social media)

strawberryteacake · 12/07/2024 11:57

Noononoo · 12/07/2024 10:04

She was probably excited had probably had a few before meeting and thought she was being energetic and interesting. Calm down, sit back and watch, smile indulgently be a bit more human and treat her more as an equal. When she states views you don’t agree with just say, I don’t agree don’t get angry. You obviously feel very superior which is not a good look.

Smiling indulgently as I read this.

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