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To wish Sir Keir and his wife would not hold hands when working

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BeaQuiet · 10/07/2024 10:23

They've arrived in Washington DC on official business clutching hands like the Macrons, the Obamas and the Sussexes.

AiBU to find it a bit cringey?

And before anyone asks, yes I do have bigger things to worry about but I fancy a chat.

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pikkumyy77 · 11/07/2024 12:32

I enjoy these discussions! They aren’t hard work at all. Its a thread at mumsnet. OP asked for opinions and she got them. Not only is it not cringe, it is perfectly normal for world leaders to represent domestic harmony and tranquility, bourgeois virtues, on the world stage.

BIWI · 11/07/2024 12:27

Mn was mostly light stuff back then

I take it you weren't on MN then!

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 12:07

Social media is used very differently now though, compared to how it was when Brown was PM.

To @pikkumyy77 and @cardibach I say “chill out guys, we won, just enjoy it for a while”.

EasternStandard · 11/07/2024 12:07

BIWI · 11/07/2024 12:03

I think you'll find that Gordon Brown was the last Labour Prime Minister, from 2007-2010 - and we very much did have social media then! Mumsnet, for a start. Facebook launched in 2004 and Twitter in 2006.

Mn was mostly light stuff back then

SM has grown as a media influence hugely, see any media storm that snowballs

BIWI · 11/07/2024 12:03

I think you'll find that Gordon Brown was the last Labour Prime Minister, from 2007-2010 - and we very much did have social media then! Mumsnet, for a start. Facebook launched in 2004 and Twitter in 2006.

BIossomtoes · 11/07/2024 12:03

What off message stuff?

Janiie · 11/07/2024 12:03

cardibach · 11/07/2024 10:40

This is really not a normal reaction to seeing a man holding his wife’s hand. As you’ve been shown repeatedly, all the leaders do it - whatever their level of experience or political stripe. Thinking it makes him look like ‘a little boy on his first day at school, about to wet himself and burst into tears’ is so beyond what you’re seeing it’s not even hyperbole. It’s vitriolic crap.

And as I've said repeatedly it is cringe when any leaders do it when on official business. I repeat any leader for those struggling to keep up.

'Vitriolic crap' because imo he looks terrifed of his own shadow? Hmm let's see you must've missed the actual vitriolic crap about Theresa May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak? Are we to play nicely now Starmer is PM? Grin.

EasternStandard · 11/07/2024 11:58

The people governing will of course be more in the spotlight on SM

It’s not hard to get.

Blair was the last PM but we didn’t have SM then so posters thinking they’ll be able to mop up all the slightly off message stuff wrt Labour are going to have a busy time.

BIossomtoes · 11/07/2024 11:54

EasternStandard · 11/07/2024 11:47

I think you’re going to have an interesting time coming wrt SM plus politics, nearly everyone comments on pretty much everything. It’s more prevalent when you’re in power, so Labour have been more immune to how much it happens

Oh please! Labour immune. 🙄

PrimalLass · 11/07/2024 11:49

pikkumyy77 · 11/07/2024 11:27

Sure: but oddly this was never raised as a complaint before for any other world leader? Why this, why now, why here are always good questions to ask yourself.

FTR I am always slightly scathing about adults who hold hands!

EasternStandard · 11/07/2024 11:47

pikkumyy77 · 11/07/2024 11:44

No but we are talking about the entire thread. If I leave the brake off my car and it rolls downhill is there no car crash because “I just left the brake off?” Sure: gravity did a lot of the work but leaving the brake off was a big part of it. This is such a car wreck of a thread!

I think you’re going to have an interesting time coming wrt SM plus politics, nearly everyone comments on pretty much everything. It’s more prevalent when you’re in power, so Labour have been more immune to how much it happens

pikkumyy77 · 11/07/2024 11:44

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:40

that wasn’t what OP said though!

No but we are talking about the entire thread. If I leave the brake off my car and it rolls downhill is there no car crash because “I just left the brake off?” Sure: gravity did a lot of the work but leaving the brake off was a big part of it. This is such a car wreck of a thread!

cardibach · 11/07/2024 11:43

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:40

that wasn’t what OP said though!

I didn’t say it was. I was, and have been, mostly talking about how the thread went - and that it was predictable it would. I think I’ve only said about the OP that 8m not sure what the motivation was.

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:40

cardibach · 11/07/2024 11:36

I get there via comments about him looking like a “little boy’ about to ‘wet himself’, looking uncertain, ‘clutching’ his wife’s hand, questions as to why he can’t manage without her etc etc etc.
You don’t think left wing leaders, whether in power or not, are constantly delegitimised by the press and other commentators?

that wasn’t what OP said though!

cardibach · 11/07/2024 11:38

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:29

I am sure people have been chatting about this stuff for decades. Are you 100% sure there are no Mumsnet threads about hand holding by Trump, Cameron, Johnson Macron? Were you keeping stats? It’s been mentioned now because (a) they are in the news and (b) one might have hoped for a more modern professional approach by a new Labour government.

I can say with certainty I’ve never seen one. Johnson was criticised for his relationship with a younger woman, for cheating on his sick wife, that sort of thing, but just holding Carrie’s hand? No, I’ve never seen it.

cardibach · 11/07/2024 11:36

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:22

Also baffled how you get from “I find it a bit cringey” to “questioning the ability of a leader to function”. A wee bit of a reach there.

oh and edit to add “constant delegitimising of elected leaders”. You’re too much!

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I get there via comments about him looking like a “little boy’ about to ‘wet himself’, looking uncertain, ‘clutching’ his wife’s hand, questions as to why he can’t manage without her etc etc etc.
You don’t think left wing leaders, whether in power or not, are constantly delegitimised by the press and other commentators?

Longma · 11/07/2024 11:30

I disagree with you. The only people I know to hold hands are in new relationships. I never see married couples do this.

I can only assume you go around not observing anything anywhere.

You can see couples of all ages holding hands down any high street, through parks, in airports, walking round shops, etc. in my experience.

And how would you even know the length of most couples relationships when out and about anyway. 🤷‍♀️

I'd be incredibly surprised to go a whole day out and about and not see a couple holding hands somewhere.

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:29

pikkumyy77 · 11/07/2024 11:27

Sure: but oddly this was never raised as a complaint before for any other world leader? Why this, why now, why here are always good questions to ask yourself.

I am sure people have been chatting about this stuff for decades. Are you 100% sure there are no Mumsnet threads about hand holding by Trump, Cameron, Johnson Macron? Were you keeping stats? It’s been mentioned now because (a) they are in the news and (b) one might have hoped for a more modern professional approach by a new Labour government.

pikkumyy77 · 11/07/2024 11:27

PrimalLass · 11/07/2024 11:19

Whether you know it or not this stupid thread is part and parcel of the right wing ecosystem of insults which are dimply a form of politics by its other name: culture war.

Or some of us just don't think adults should hold hands with their spouses while at work.

Sure: but oddly this was never raised as a complaint before for any other world leader? Why this, why now, why here are always good questions to ask yourself.

EasternStandard · 11/07/2024 11:27

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:22

Also baffled how you get from “I find it a bit cringey” to “questioning the ability of a leader to function”. A wee bit of a reach there.

oh and edit to add “constant delegitimising of elected leaders”. You’re too much!

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Maybe it’s Labour in gov the first time SM is really around. Does seem an overreaction and it’ll be a lot of mopping up if only pre approved lines are wanted.

pikkumyy77 · 11/07/2024 11:24

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:16

I think you are going way OTT with this analysis in this context but the fact remains that it is abundantly clear that OP, a Labour supporter, did not start this thread in order to cause political damage to the Labour Party. At worst she has inadvertently done so.

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You have no way of knowing what OP’s intentions were just as none of us knows who she us or whether they are a Labour voter at all.

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:22

Also baffled how you get from “I find it a bit cringey” to “questioning the ability of a leader to function”. A wee bit of a reach there.

oh and edit to add “constant delegitimising of elected leaders”. You’re too much!

cardibach · 11/07/2024 11:22

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:20

I simply don’t take life as seriously as you do. Sorry.

You have no idea how seriously I take ‘life’. I do take the constant delegitimising of elected leaders quite seriously though. As @pikkumyy77 has eloquently explained, that’s what this sort of discourse is about.

TimeandMotion · 11/07/2024 11:20

cardibach · 11/07/2024 11:16

You sound a bit aggressive.
I was just pointing out how daft it is to criticise him for something all leaders do (except Trump, whose wife refuses to touch him) when nobody has raised it for any other leader in the past. It’s odd that suddenly it’s the worst thing in the world when an otherwise competent leader who is clearly moving on a plan happens to be a Labour politician. The thread is very political, incidentally -politics is a wide ranging topic and questioning the ability of a leader to function without handholding (when that’s clearly nonsense) is definitely political. I find it strange you, a Labour supporter, don’t understand that this is an attempt to undermine him by people who don’t like him (even if that wasn’t the OP’s intention, which I’m on the fence about)

I simply don’t take life as seriously as you do. Sorry.

PrimalLass · 11/07/2024 11:19

Whether you know it or not this stupid thread is part and parcel of the right wing ecosystem of insults which are dimply a form of politics by its other name: culture war.

Or some of us just don't think adults should hold hands with their spouses while at work.

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