Page 16 | To wish Sir Keir and his wife would not hold hands when working

BeaQuiet · 2024-07-10T09:23:14+00:00

They've arrived in Washington DC on official business clutching hands like the Macrons, the Obamas and the Sussexes. AiBU to find it a bit cringey? And before anyone asks, yes I do have bigger things to worry about but I fancy a chat.

pikkumyy77 · 10/07/2024 16:29

But it doesn’t. Such a dumb comment. Historically, politically and culturally tone deaf.

Spinet · 10/07/2024 16:29

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2024 16:07

Maybe clumsy wording on my part.

as we were waiting for the declarations, there was a brief interview with the Rt. Hon. Gentleman, and he said something like (I paraphrase) despite the constitutionality of it which he was well aware of, the British public had started thinking in presidential terms. Whether this was a good or a bad thing was another matter, but he was noting it as a "thing" that had bearing on elections.

Not that controversial really. And probably true going back to Thatcher. Especially as she was seen so much with Reagan.

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Yes, I saw it. Just before he talked about that he was asked about the result and he said that he knew - or had a good idea - what the it was and that we would have to wait to hear it. The presenter said, 'well, we assume you must've won then' and he replied, 'You mustn't assume that' (rephrase that in a JRM way). I was watching and him then saying what he did about the presidential system made me suspect he had indeed lost.

He is not much missed by me but I don't blame him for reframing his ousting like that. It's inaccurate to present it as an unbiased opinion though.

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BeaQuiet · 10/07/2024 16:26

I just wanted to say thanks for the thread.
I too have other things to think about but happy to talk about this.

Thank you @thisoldheartofmine

I've been on MN long enough to remember when we could have a chat about any old shit without people getting Offended on Behalf of Others.

I've been accused of being a bitter Tory/Reform voter, a racist and being in a unsatisfying marriage. When all I said was I think it looks unprofessional to hold hands with your spouse whilst on official business. And cringey.

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SerendipityJane · 10/07/2024 16:10

BustingBaoBun · 10/07/2024 15:44

Oh well... he has his 'reality show' to fall back on. Like the Kardashians but with Nanny too... a six parter apparently, called 'Meet The Moggs'.

Can't wait NOT

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I smell a massive smash in the offing.

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2024 16:07

Spinet · 10/07/2024 15:40

He 'admitted' it because he knew he had just lost his seat! That people were voting against Rishi rather than him was a nice way to reframe it for himself.

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Maybe clumsy wording on my part.

as we were waiting for the declarations, there was a brief interview with the Rt. Hon. Gentleman, and he said something like (I paraphrase) despite the constitutionality of it which he was well aware of, the British public had started thinking in presidential terms. Whether this was a good or a bad thing was another matter, but he was noting it as a "thing" that had bearing on elections.

Not that controversial really. And probably true going back to Thatcher. Especially as she was seen so much with Reagan.

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35 years so far. Happy enough not to make mean spirited comments like you.

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BeaQuiet · 10/07/2024 16:02

Ahhhh... but KS has to be criticised because... ummm.... Labour won

ummm I'm a lifelong Labour supporter and delighted Sir Keir won.

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BustingBaoBun · 10/07/2024 15:44

Spinet · 10/07/2024 15:40

He 'admitted' it because he knew he had just lost his seat! That people were voting against Rishi rather than him was a nice way to reframe it for himself.

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Oh well... he has his 'reality show' to fall back on. Like the Kardashians but with Nanny too... a six parter apparently, called 'Meet The Moggs'.

Can't wait NOT

goingdownfighting · 10/07/2024 15:44

Tbh honest I'd need a hand hold after the last 7 days he's had. I'd be clutching on to my husband's hands if I'd just moved house, had billions of meeting and tv and photos, then flown to Washington to meet the whole of bloody NATO.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 10/07/2024 15:42

Yes they may be different. I’m no fan of Rees-Mogg; he is a hideous twat.

TimeandMotion · 10/07/2024 15:40

I can see how if some bring their spouse then others feel compelled to do the same but I really wish the political world would just stop it across the board and ask that the spouses stay away. It’s a massive assumption that the couple will be happy for both to leave their children, for a start (I am not taking about the Starmers’ teens specifically, more about the assumption that any married couple can just both up and leave for “Dad’s work event”).

I work in a big professional services firm. We stopped inviting spouses to our annual partners’ conference about 3 years ago and it has made the whole event much more business-focussed and less of an annual jolly.Spouses never really enjoyed it anyway- gone are the days when a nice hotel and a black tie dinner were something that participants were impressed by- most of the spouses had their own jobs and saw it as a pain in the arse, and the people from the firm wanted to be able to talk shop in the socials as well as during the conference sessions. My husband is delighted to no longer be invited.

Spinet · 10/07/2024 15:40

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2024 15:27

I think it looks like a bit of an act, and US style"first lady"

Maybe that's what you get when you pretend the UK has a presidential system - even the much missed Jacob Rees-Mogg admitted that.

He 'admitted' it because he knew he had just lost his seat! That people were voting against Rishi rather than him was a nice way to reframe it for himself.

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2024 15:27

I think it looks like a bit of an act, and US style"first lady"

Maybe that's what you get when you pretend the UK has a presidential system - even the much missed Jacob Rees-Mogg admitted that.

Acapulco12 · 10/07/2024 15:26

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 10/07/2024 15:24

I think it looks like a bit of an act, and US style"first lady" . Similarly, but way worse, is seeing Jill Biden going around clapping and shouting for Biden at rallies, and making speeches. Or Melania Trump and her scrawled on jacket. It's all a bit undignified.

Melania Trump’s jacket is not at all comparable to Jill Biden supporting her husband. It’s normal to want to support your spouse at a political event, whereas Melania’s jacket sent a nasty and dismissive message that her office didn’t even try to deny. They’re both totally different things.

RobinStrike · 10/07/2024 15:26

@usernamealreadytaken Carrie and 6 month old Romy attended the G7 summit. Article includes photos of Carrie with Biden, and other spouses.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boris-johnsons-wife-carrie-shares-27345241

Thinkyouare · 10/07/2024 15:25

She looked terrified to me and I suspect it was a reassuring squeeze of the hand, nothing at all wrong with that.

My thought was why would you add to the stress of the day by travelling in a white dress 🤣

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2024 15:25

Why shouldn't the Starmers, like the Camerons

Who remembers when "SamCam" was a thing ? Not many whingers here it seems.

Acapulco12 · 10/07/2024 15:25

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 10/07/2024 10:24

I find it nice. Not at all cringey.

When Trump held Theresa May’s hand that was proper cringey.

I also like it.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 10/07/2024 15:24

I think it looks like a bit of an act, and US style"first lady" . Similarly, but way worse, is seeing Jill Biden going around clapping and shouting for Biden at rallies, and making speeches. Or Melania Trump and her scrawled on jacket. It's all a bit undignified.

BustingBaoBun · 10/07/2024 15:24

usernamealreadytaken · 10/07/2024 15:17

"she will be involved in other, diplomatic-type meetings"

You mean learning how to be a good leader's wife, or running the country type diplomatic meetings? Either way, not sure I want to be paying for that, no matter what colour is flying over #10.

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It would look very odd if all or most of the other spouses were there and she wasn't... surely...

BustingBaoBun · 10/07/2024 15:23

Do all the leaders take their spouses to the NATO Summit?

Yes, it appears so. They are social dinners and partners programmes for the spouses at the NATO summits. From what I've read anyway.
I remember Zelensky's wife and Brigitte Macron last year.

usernamealreadytaken · 10/07/2024 15:17

BIWI · 10/07/2024 13:50

I agree, and also resent that we've probably paid not only for her jolly, but also for someone to look after the kids and provide security in their parents' absence.

FFS it's hardly a jolly @usernamealreadytaken - she's not going to be off sightseeing or shopping, she will be involved in other, diplomatic-type meetings.

And of course we will be paying for her to be there and for her children to be looked after (although they are teens so won't really need nannying!) because we're talking about the Prime Minister and his family.

Why do you resent that? Did you question who was looking after/paying for Rishi Sunak's children whenever he was away?

"she will be involved in other, diplomatic-type meetings"

You mean learning how to be a good leader's wife, or running the country type diplomatic meetings? Either way, not sure I want to be paying for that, no matter what colour is flying over #10.