How likely are PIP vouchers now labour are in?

Posters are aware of this, and several knowledgeable posters have been suggesting for ages how the bill could be reduced on these threads. Maybe if they worked for the Government that implements these policies, we would see an improvement.

It’s Tory ideological punishments. I don’t think Labour stand for that sort of thing.

Absolutely the idea was an ideological punishment of the vulnerable. Labour certainly do stand for ideological punishments but they don't target the poorest and most vulnerable. Their ideological punishments will target the comfortably off middle and upper-middle classes who arr better able to weather such attacks.

PIP is bloody difficult to get already. My capacity to be active, earn, and look after myself has massively reduced from what used to be normal for me but I am not disabled enough to qualify I just have to put up with a world much narrower and less accessible than it used to be. Vouchers are a stupid idea and Labour will not be stupid enough to proceed with it.

It’s because disabled people continually hear the message that they are a drain on society. We should all shuffle into a corner and not expect any kind of level playing field. We should try not to be a burden.

The problem, of course is that a lot of us don’t even realise how much easier life is for people without disabilities because it’s the only lens we have. I realise that’s not the same for everyone.

Only if the attempt is considered 'serious' enough.

Yes,it infuriates me when I see what some people are trying to claim for I have to scroll past and bite my tongue 🤣
I also think some people are on the page to get tips about what to write but I digress...

There have always been people like this but really the days are gone where you submit the form and get awarded only on what you wrote.

I had to go to tribunal for one of my children even though her care needs are very significant for her age. I didn't need to submit any extra evidence to what I sent in the first place (diagnosis and school reports) so it's interesting that the original decision was overturned when it was being assessed by a doctor.

@Rainbowsponge as you so clearly demonstrate, it's clearly possible for a disabled person to be ablist. Doesn't make it OK to be ablist though.

Why target disabled people? We seem to be the ones constantly targeted for costing the government too much.

As a disabled woman I’m entitled to my own opinion on this matter outside of the groupthink, without being patronised with ‘internalised ableism’. Anyway what we think is irrelevant - the welfare bill is so high even labour acknowledge it’s completely unsustainable. What will it take for posters to face up to this?

Long term they need to do something about benefits because the current system is broken with many people in desperate need not getting sufficient but others managing to live extravagant lifestyles because of how they work. But I don't think it's a priority for them, I wouldn't expect anything for at least a couple of years.

I want to see mental health issues being taken seriously

@Rainbowsponge I don't think you were born yesterday but I do think you've made some ablist and offensive statements on this thread. The rate of fraudulent PIP claims was only 0.4% in a recent government, but don't let facts get in the way of prejudice eh.

I just think the Pp was trying to make the point that you can have a disability but not fit the criteria according to the PIP assessment ?

I fit the criteria. I was just wondering if the pp thought I should

I get PIP and I’ve filled in the consultation.

There are ways they could save money. They could stop reviewing people who have had their legs amputated, or who are like me who over 10yrs ago sent in a letter from my consultant saying I will never get better. My case is under review atm, I’ve sent in 497 pieces of medical evidence. How long do you think it will take them to go through that? It took me a week to produce. It’s madness.

That never happens according to posters on here, even if you’ve seen it with your own eyes…! Do they think we were born yesterday.

Yes,it infuriates me when I see what some people are trying to claim for I have to scroll past and bite my tongue 🤣
I also think some people are on the page to get tips about what to write but I digress...

Its the same in the pip groups. Some ask what to write to get an award.

Think we’re on the same group. The amount of people complaining had me worried that my own children wouldn’t be entitled initially, until it’s put on paper with a dissertation of medical evidence. I do t think people (who are thinking of applying or otherwise) realise the level of work it takes to apply for and then get DLA for their children. Never mind recognising just how disabled your child is when you’ve written it all out which really takes it toll on you as a parent.

Going by the PIP criteria it's usually if someone needs assistance with self care ,cleaning ,making meals etc and help to travel .

This makes my blood boil
Labour are going to review the green paper which was initiated by Rishi due on 23rd of July.. I submitted the form
I can't see how it would even work
I have CP so my needs vary
I might need a mobility or daily living aid
One month, pay for taxis another
buy easy to put on clothes or pre chopped vegetables or chicken for another
Who would even accept the voucher?
Can't choose food from a catalogue
Lastly How fucking insulting!

How disabled is disabled 'enough' in your opinion?

@x2boys you're right about DLA or PIP currently being available for whatever the recipient needs. I use DS's for activities that get him out and socialising and keeping fit. These could maybe be accessed with vouchers. But the time I need to meet him from school and get him to these activities (and therefore lost earnings as I'm not working then) can't. There is just no childcare for older kids with disabilities so I have to do it myself (lone parent so no-one to tag team with either). I do what I can work wise and try to earn our living but his DLA is a lifeline for him at the moment.

If PIP assessors had a clue what they were doing then that would probably save a considerable amount of money. DD's assessor quite clearly hadn't read the paperwork in any detail. That was obvious from some of the questions she was asking me. She had never heard of DD's condition and had not even bothered to Google it.

DD's condition will never improve, it may actually get worse but still she will have to be reassessed and we will have to submit the same evidence again when her award runs out. Easier access to medical treatment will make no difference. She is getting all the medical treatment relevant to her condition at the moment.

She will never live independently.

Yes I agree that PIP needs looking at but not so that vouchers can be handed out. The whole system needs to be improved. It is all very well saying that disabled people will be helped into the workplace. You need to find employers willing to make the relevant adjustments for them and you only have to look at some of the threads on here to see how that pisses off other employees.

You really can judge a society by the way it treats its weakest members and I don't just means in terms of the benefits and help available from the state but also the attitude of some of the public, again quite clearly illustrated on some threads on Mumsnet.

But yes, I would agree that maybe not so many people would need to claim if the NHS was properly funded as it should be.

No but it is for me to contribute with my opinion as you are doing.

That’s not for you to judge. You clearly don’t understand that disabilities cost extra money in various ways.