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How likely are PIP vouchers now labour are in?

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CatOnALightSwitch · 10/07/2024 10:22

Just as the title says really.

It doesn't affect me as I don't claim any benefits and work full time however my son and mother are on PIP and I'm not sure how vouchers would work for them and I'm a little bit worried.

I know there is previous threads on this but I can't see any being mentioned now labour is in.

Is it worth worrying about or is it a wait and see what happens situation?

Thanks all.

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XenoBitch · 20/07/2024 21:56

Jess199512 · 20/07/2024 20:54

I really hope this don't happen I'm really struggling ATM coz I'm worried and not sleeping much willy his actually happen :(

It sounds like your anxiety about something that is probably never going to happen is having a detrimental impact and stopping you enjoying the good things in life.
Repeatedly reading and posting on threads about this is not doing you any good.

Jess199512 · 20/07/2024 20:54

I really hope this don't happen I'm really struggling ATM coz I'm worried and not sleeping much willy his actually happen :(

LadyKenya · 19/07/2024 17:22

Emmanuelll · 19/07/2024 07:11

Labour's brand of politics is to not punish vulnerable people.

I think that the Country has had enough punishment, under the last Government!

AutumnCrow · 19/07/2024 10:19

Pop90 · 19/07/2024 09:47

On 22nd July that dead line that when we find out if it going to vouchers or stay cash voucher be no good for me

No, that is not what will happen on 22nd July. It is the closing date for consultation responses.

www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/dr-uk%E2%80%99s-template-submission-pip-green-paper-consultation-0#:~:text=The%20deadline%20for%20sending%20responses,is%20the%2022%20July%202024.

Pop90 · 19/07/2024 09:47

On 22nd July that dead line that when we find out if it going to vouchers or stay cash voucher be no good for me

Carfy · 19/07/2024 08:52

The all for the selves politicians

Emmanuelll · 19/07/2024 07:11

Carfy · 18/07/2024 11:35

How do you no that for sure

Labour's brand of politics is to not punish vulnerable people.

IClaudine · 18/07/2024 22:50

Jess199512 · 18/07/2024 22:15

So will this happen

I doubt it very much. Going after disabled people in receipt of PIP does not seem to be on Labour's agenda as far as I can tell. There was nothing in the King's speech about PIP. I really would not be losing any sleep about it right now.

LadyKenya · 18/07/2024 22:26

It is a bit like deja vu around here at the moment.

Jess199512 · 18/07/2024 22:15

IClaudine · 18/07/2024 11:43

Know what for sure? The PIP regulations are set out in law and cannot be changed without legislation going through Parliament.

So will this happen

IClaudine · 18/07/2024 11:43

Carfy · 18/07/2024 11:35

How do you no that for sure

Know what for sure? The PIP regulations are set out in law and cannot be changed without legislation going through Parliament.

TigerRag · 18/07/2024 11:37

Given the amount of changes to the system, it's going to be a long process if it ever happens

We're not talking about a minor change here

Carfy · 18/07/2024 11:35

How do you no that for sure

IClaudine · 18/07/2024 10:33

Carfy · 18/07/2024 10:17

So why are they saying iff labour dont say anything by 22nd of July the vouchers will be rolled out

Who is "they"? This is a load of rubbish. A massive change like that would need legislation, for a start. It couldn't just be "rolled out".

TigerRag · 18/07/2024 10:26

Not at all

There's a lot of scaremongering from the media

Nothing has been announced yet

Miley1967 · 18/07/2024 10:25

Carfy · 18/07/2024 10:17

So why are they saying iff labour dont say anything by 22nd of July the vouchers will be rolled out

No one is saying that at all. There is a consultation going on which the Tory's started and lots of people have given their views on how PIP should be changed / reformed. If the Labour party decide to still consider the views that those who responded to the consultation then there may be changes but it seems unlikley vouchers will be introduced. However there may still be changes to the way PIP is awarded/ assessed or changes to the descriptors. No-one really knows yet, it is a waiting game to see what happens.

Carfy · 18/07/2024 10:17

So why are they saying iff labour dont say anything by 22nd of July the vouchers will be rolled out

Jess199512 · 17/07/2024 22:01

So hopefully it won't do it

XenoBitch · 17/07/2024 22:00

Jess199512 · 17/07/2024 19:36

I ring up DWP this morning and she said that the media is trying to scare us and tha she said it will never happen I don't know how ture that is

PIP being replaced with vouchers was something the Conservatives were considering... and they did not win the election.

The person you spoke to at the DWP is right. The media does try to scare us... it is what gets people clicking on their websites and engaging.

Jess199512 · 17/07/2024 19:36

I ring up DWP this morning and she said that the media is trying to scare us and tha she said it will never happen I don't know how ture that is

CatMumSlave · 14/07/2024 08:50

I've had two successful PIP appeals.

The government needs to look at why the DWP are turning people down yet the ones with experience ie doctors, nurses, medical professionals and judges say we are entitled.

During my last tribunal there was a DWP representative in the room, she was asked if she would like to comment. I was so scared.

She actually said she agreed with everything I said and couldn't understand why it was taken off of me in the first place. That made me cry.

XenoBitch · 13/07/2024 21:15

LadyFeatheringt0n · 13/07/2024 16:08

PIP is generally (and I say 'generally' because there are always loopholers) very tricky to get.

3.4 million people get it. Thats 1 in 20 of the population. Its not that tricky to get.

Have you ever applied? It is very hard to get, and many people are put off even trying. And then many people do apply, are turned down, then get awarded at appeal.
So, maybe 3.4 million people get DLA/PIP, but even more people are entitled to it.

Createausername1970 · 13/07/2024 18:03

T1mumtobe · 10/07/2024 12:59

Disabled people are massively at risk of even further inequality and poverty if they just wait and see what happens.

Wes Streeting is very open about wanting more privatisation of the NHS, Labour have plans for extending PFIs, and they have repeatedly used the exact same rhetoric as Conservatives (i.e. needing to encourage disabled people into work, reduce the welfare bill, improve access to healthcare instead of cash handouts etc etc).

This is all very worrying - "improving access to healthcare" AS AN ALTERNATIVE to cash handouts shows a) that there is money they could spend on healthcare that they will only spend if they can cut it from disabled people and b) that they see no problem with a situation in which you may need to be on PIP to get the quickest access to treatment for your long term health condition.

Continuing the rhetoric of encouraging disabled people back into work is allowing the stigmatisation of people who overwhelmingly say they'd love to be able to work and that the reason they can't is usually because there are no jobs that suit their abilities, because the demands of working make them sicker or because employers do not allow any flexibility or actively discriminate against them. Imagine competing with healthy applicants with excellent health records if you've had 10 days absence in the last year, have hospital appointments a couple of times per month and need reasonable adjustments in your new role.

I would urge anyone who is disabled, knows anyone disabled or who cares about disabled people to fill out the consultation survey before it runs out on 22 July and to remember that vouchers/catalogues will place severe limits on what disabled people can actually buy, which will benefit nobody but the companies chosen to supply those catalogues/accept those vouchers. It's also very expensive to administer those schemes, so the only way it would save money is if they also massively reduce the number of people eligible for PIP in the first place.

There is more to be said about how research on benefits of work for sick/disabled people talks about how work is only beneficial for disabled people if it is the right type of work, safe, accommodating, and within a disabled person's capabilities, none of which is ever taken into account when these kinds of changes are made.

Hopefully the link will work (see below). If not, search for "Modernising Support for Independent Living The Health and Disability Green Paper" and then go to the "How to Respond" section for the link.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/modernising-support-for-independent-living-the-health-and-disability-green-paper/modernising-support-for-independent-living-the-health-and-disability-green-paper#how-to-respond

I just completed it. Thank you for the link.

ARichtGoodDram · 13/07/2024 16:37

LadyFeatheringt0n · 13/07/2024 16:08

PIP is generally (and I say 'generally' because there are always loopholers) very tricky to get.

3.4 million people get it. Thats 1 in 20 of the population. Its not that tricky to get.

It’s very tricky to get, hence the number of people having to go to appeal (most of who win).

That so many people are entitled to a benefit such as PIP opens many questions about the health of the country, and the healthcare of the country. It doesn’t make it easy to get.

TigerRag · 13/07/2024 16:15

LadyFeatheringt0n · 13/07/2024 16:08

PIP is generally (and I say 'generally' because there are always loopholers) very tricky to get.

3.4 million people get it. Thats 1 in 20 of the population. Its not that tricky to get.

Why do 70â„… who go to tribunal win? Surely if it was that easy, so many wouldn't have to take it to tribunal in the first place?