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How likely are PIP vouchers now labour are in?

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CatOnALightSwitch · 10/07/2024 10:22

Just as the title says really.

It doesn't affect me as I don't claim any benefits and work full time however my son and mother are on PIP and I'm not sure how vouchers would work for them and I'm a little bit worried.

I know there is previous threads on this but I can't see any being mentioned now labour is in.

Is it worth worrying about or is it a wait and see what happens situation?

Thanks all.

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Boomer55 · 24/07/2024 16:58

Pedestriancrossing · 24/07/2024 10:14

The anti-disabled rhetoric of the previous conservative government was designed to be toxic and divisive. There's no way the new government will want to carry that attitude forward, There are ways that PIP could be improved (fewer tribunals, longer awards for lifelong conditions etc) and the voucher scheme was (I think) just a suggestion born from Tory politicos wanting to stop claimants "spending their buckets of cash on holidays and flat screen TVs" (I'm joking obvs but sadly many believe this rubbish). As for reducing numbers on long term sickness benefits, this is unrelated to the PIP consultation. It would be great if employers did more to support people with long term conditions and disabilities to find and stay in work, but sadly often not the case now.

No, but they have said that the only way to grow the economy is to get working age people back into work and reviewing the sickness benefits (prev. ESA)..nothing to do with PIP, which isn’t an out of work benefit.

Jess199512 · 24/07/2024 16:54

Has it been confirmed yet

Alltheprettyseahorses · 24/07/2024 12:12

Pedestriancrossing · 24/07/2024 10:14

The anti-disabled rhetoric of the previous conservative government was designed to be toxic and divisive. There's no way the new government will want to carry that attitude forward, There are ways that PIP could be improved (fewer tribunals, longer awards for lifelong conditions etc) and the voucher scheme was (I think) just a suggestion born from Tory politicos wanting to stop claimants "spending their buckets of cash on holidays and flat screen TVs" (I'm joking obvs but sadly many believe this rubbish). As for reducing numbers on long term sickness benefits, this is unrelated to the PIP consultation. It would be great if employers did more to support people with long term conditions and disabilities to find and stay in work, but sadly often not the case now.

Even though Reeves has said so many times that Labour will crack down far harder than the Tories on benefits? Labour have been explicit in their intentions.

Pedestriancrossing · 24/07/2024 10:14

The anti-disabled rhetoric of the previous conservative government was designed to be toxic and divisive. There's no way the new government will want to carry that attitude forward, There are ways that PIP could be improved (fewer tribunals, longer awards for lifelong conditions etc) and the voucher scheme was (I think) just a suggestion born from Tory politicos wanting to stop claimants "spending their buckets of cash on holidays and flat screen TVs" (I'm joking obvs but sadly many believe this rubbish). As for reducing numbers on long term sickness benefits, this is unrelated to the PIP consultation. It would be great if employers did more to support people with long term conditions and disabilities to find and stay in work, but sadly often not the case now.

IClaudine · 24/07/2024 10:14

Miley1967 · 24/07/2024 09:43

There are articles in the papers today regarding getting long term sick back to work, although how they actually plan to do this I'm not sure. Job centres apparently to give more help as seven out of ten of these long term sickness benefit claimants want to work given the right opportunities.

That is about ESA though, not PIP, which is an in work benefit. Only pointing that out as there are some people very anxious about PIP on this thread.

Labour will have an uphill struggle with getting people off ESA and into work. Employers don't exactly queue up to employ people with long term health conditions or make the necessary aadjustmentsin order to do so.

Miley1967 · 24/07/2024 09:43

Alltheprettyseahorses · 24/07/2024 09:07

It's certainly no less likely than it would have been under the Tories. Current discussion in the news seems to imply it would be rolled out for I think the number was 1.5 million PIP claimants with mental health issues first. It's very sweet that some posters hope Labour won't target the vulnerable but Labour has always said different eg Reeves repeatedly pledging to crack down on benefits harder than the Tories would have and various statements from Kendall.

There are articles in the papers today regarding getting long term sick back to work, although how they actually plan to do this I'm not sure. Job centres apparently to give more help as seven out of ten of these long term sickness benefit claimants want to work given the right opportunities.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 24/07/2024 09:07

It's certainly no less likely than it would have been under the Tories. Current discussion in the news seems to imply it would be rolled out for I think the number was 1.5 million PIP claimants with mental health issues first. It's very sweet that some posters hope Labour won't target the vulnerable but Labour has always said different eg Reeves repeatedly pledging to crack down on benefits harder than the Tories would have and various statements from Kendall.

IClaudine · 24/07/2024 08:32

I didn't realise the PIP roll out was still ongoing! Incredible.

WiddlinDiddlin · 24/07/2024 04:35

Not in our lifetime, no. The new PM and new government have far more pressing things to sort out.

PIP has huge backlogs already, hasn't finished being rolled out to fully replace DLA for adults (I still know adults on DLA!). Adding more complicated processes to that won't be top of anyones priority list, even if they actually look at the consultation and evaluate the information it offers them.

That info is likely to be a ton of disability related charities and disabled people saying 'hell no, don't be so stupid' (as thats basically what I said when I filled it out the other day!).

Jess199512 · 23/07/2024 20:40

So U think it won't happen

WiddlinDiddlin · 23/07/2024 18:29

Theres a good chance that since the government that instigated the consultation is no longer in power, this will just be quietly binned off.

Jess199512 · 23/07/2024 10:19

IClaudine · 23/07/2024 10:18

Jess, the consultation is closed. What happens next is that the government will at some point publish the outcome of the consultation. This will take months.

If changes to PIP are to be made it will take years for those changes to come into effect. And as everyone has said several times, it is almost certain vouchers are simply not going to happen. That was a bit of Tory nonsense that is now dead in the water.

Hope so

IClaudine · 23/07/2024 10:18

Jess199512 · 23/07/2024 10:10

Dos anyone know what going on with pip now after the consultation is It going ahead and how long if it is

Jess, the consultation is closed. What happens next is that the government will at some point publish the outcome of the consultation. This will take months.

If changes to PIP are to be made it will take years for those changes to come into effect. And as everyone has said several times, it is almost certain vouchers are simply not going to happen. That was a bit of Tory nonsense that is now dead in the water.

Jess199512 · 23/07/2024 10:10

Dos anyone know what going on with pip now after the consultation is It going ahead and how long if it is

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/07/2024 18:52

Honestly no ones going down the vouchers route - it would cost a fortune to administrate and create even more backlogs in a system already drowning in backlogs.

Jess199512 · 21/07/2024 13:37

Relly hope not coz like I said I'm struggling to sleep ATM coz I'm worried

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 13:28

Jess199512 · 21/07/2024 12:20

Hopefully:( just stressimg

Try not to stress. Drastic changes to PIP would need primary legislation, which would need to go through Parliament and takes a long time.

I am 99% sure Labour won't go down the vouchers route. If it did there would be a huge backlash and they might very well struggle to get the legislation through Parliament. There would be legal challenges.

The Tories tried something similar but less draconian (disability aids instead of cash) a few years back and had to drop the proposals damn fast because of the backlash.

Jess199512 · 21/07/2024 12:20

Pedestriancrossing · 21/07/2024 12:18

@Jess199512 no one knows if it will happen or how long it would take to bring in any changes. I know it's hard not to worry, but honestly there's no point dwelling on this at the moment. We will have to wait for the consultation to close and results looked at before any announcements can be made. I know many disability charities have responded to the consultation so I'm sure concerns about the workability, cost etc of any voucher scheme have been raised numerous times.

Hopefully:( just stressimg

Pedestriancrossing · 21/07/2024 12:18

@Jess199512 no one knows if it will happen or how long it would take to bring in any changes. I know it's hard not to worry, but honestly there's no point dwelling on this at the moment. We will have to wait for the consultation to close and results looked at before any announcements can be made. I know many disability charities have responded to the consultation so I'm sure concerns about the workability, cost etc of any voucher scheme have been raised numerous times.

Jess199512 · 21/07/2024 11:35

If it happened how long will It take to come in to place and I rly hope it don't

Jess199512 · 21/07/2024 11:05

TigerRag · 21/07/2024 07:48

And this is why I avoid the news - so much scaremongering about things that may not happen

Relly hope it don't

TigerRag · 21/07/2024 07:48

And this is why I avoid the news - so much scaremongering about things that may not happen

XenoBitch · 21/07/2024 00:02

Jess199512 · 20/07/2024 21:58

Yap exactly and read stuff before bed I just really struggling I really want to know what's happening I don't want the vouchers to happen what your thoughts on it

No one can answer that for you.
However, you can put your views across for the consultation about it. You have until 22nd July to do so.

https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=6fbxllcQF0GsKIDN_ob4wy4AdhV04YtOnxNXoi82ciFUN00yS0lJSTgzOVNaUzI1TVpYRkZGN1RUQSQlQCN0PWcu

Maybe doing that will help you feel a bit more empowered about it all, as in you had a say about it.
That is all you can do for now.

Jess199512 · 20/07/2024 21:58

XenoBitch · 20/07/2024 21:56

It sounds like your anxiety about something that is probably never going to happen is having a detrimental impact and stopping you enjoying the good things in life.
Repeatedly reading and posting on threads about this is not doing you any good.

Yap exactly and read stuff before bed I just really struggling I really want to know what's happening I don't want the vouchers to happen what your thoughts on it