Some People In Prison Shouldn’t Be Allowed Visitors.

Depends if you want prison to rehabilitate offenders or enact vengeance. Given we can't keep everyone in prison their whole lives it's probably better for society if we aim to rehabilitate them.

I mean there's no chance of that actually happening with prisons in the state they're in. But the point remains - what happens to prisoners, what the prison experience is like, should be decided by logic not emotions, to make it most effective in protecting society.

The shitty excuse of a father should have thought of that when he was depriving a mother of her child and a child of her mother.

Good grief. Because we are a civilised country.

It is this kind of attitude that children of criminals do not matter, that can make their live extra difficult.

I don't have any sympathy for the bloke who did the killing but I don't think that would be an acceptable way for the state to behave.

Prison is the punishment, there should not be a cruel or unusual aspect to it

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Prison, and the removal of freedoms, is the punishment.
Of course, family/friends can decide not to visit a prisoner, and that is their right.
But to say they are not allowed to visit to begin with... that is just wrong. By depriving loved ones from visiting, you are also punishing them.
For some, visits are what keeps a prisoner going, and they have to maintain those relationships for when they are released.

Obviously it would take a pretty sick individual not to have sympathy for this poor girl. I'm sure everyone posting on this thread feels terrible for her.

However, how would you feel if someone said a child should be deprived of their father just because another child has been deprived of their mother - because despite all the circumstances around WHY that's happened that is what your are suggesting.

But it’s normalised for them for a period of time, no matter how long that is. A lot of kids do not see the inside of a prison thankfully.

If he was my kids’ dad they’d be going nowhere near a prison and the only communication he’d be getting from me would be about a divorce. If he was my child, I wouldn’t be able to visit him. He’s utter scum.

No @Crispysheets it's not 'normalised'

Many have parents in custody for a relatively short time.... so it's a continuation for that relationship

Made a mistake? He didn’t make a mistake, fgs. He made a conscious decision to drive a car knowing full well he was 3 times over the limit. He, also, made the decision to make phone calls and send texts whilst driving at speeds up to 141mph, and just before he rammed into the back of the family’s car, he took a photo of his speedo to send on WhatsApp. That’s not a fucking mistake. That’s being downright reckless.

@TheFairyCaravan yes, and I empathise with that little girl. Depriving another kid would not be a solution though.

He should get what he has a right to get. In fact, he will definitely get it. He is still being punished

Well it’s normalised for those kids unfortunately, I bet it’s like a big family reunion for them.

A 3yo little girl has been deprived of all the benefits of having her mummy by her side as she grows up and goes through life because of this cunt. It’s her I’ve got sympathy for, and the rest of the family who’ve been torn apart by him. He deserves to rot.

Locking someone up is punishment.

Whilst they are locked up they should rehabilited to rejoin society as they do in Norway which has the lowest reoffending rate. Their system is based upon humanising the offender as opposed to dehumanising them as the OP seems keen to do.

Posts like these always shock me. First of all, has the OP never made a mistake? People do and tragically the results can be horrific but none of us are perfect. There but for the grace of God and all that.

Secondly I don't feel sorry for the driver one bit, but neither do I wish him undue suffering. There's some real nastiness in the vengeful desire to utterly destroy his mental health by isolating him. I'm surprised the OP isn't suggesting lashes or electrodes.
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The OP is advocating causing the purposeful prolonged suffering of another human whilst decrying the man who caused the prolonged suffering of other humans.

Exactly. Some people do not realise that criminals might be great fathers.

Not everyone sees everything in such black and white terms as you do.

You can think whatever you want, but prisoners are entitled to have visitors, end of. It's not up to you to decide whether it is beneficial for their children or not.

How incredibly small minded of you.

Anyway, there's plenty of studies on the benefits and charities which support it

Have to disagree. It's very individual. My friend went to prison when she was 18, her boyfriend was bad news and unfortunately she was scared of him and fell into his lifestyle too, she ended up going to prison for a year. She's never been back since, we're in our 30s now and she has a good job, a DD and is a great parent.

My own father was in prison for much of my childhood and he was a shit parent and a shit person so some definitely are. Not all.

I see many kids visiting Dad in prison

All healthy happy kids

Lots of very very normal families....just like you and the rest of mumsnet.

This

Yes

I wish I hadn't been made to visit my dad in prison. It always scared me. Should be the child's choice though.

Interesting take on the subject. So any parent who has been in prison is automatically a shit one and the child would be better off without them?