Some People In Prison Shouldn’t Be Allowed Visitors.

There are 'privileges' and their are 'rights'

2 different things

If removal of privileges would create that much carnage (and I’m sure you are correct in thinking that), then all it proves is the prisoners are beyond help and rehabilitation and do not belong in society.
They shouldn’t do the crime if they can’t do the time. And that time should never have included privileges for serious crimes like murder. But they expect an easy ride in prisons these days.

You obviously have justice and vengeance muddled up

I can’t believe how judgmental you are with no evidence to back such a ridiculous statement

Fuck me this place gets more Daily Mail by the minute.

He was driving at 141mph!
The only mistakes I make are things like burning the toast and forgetting to lock my car not drink driving!
I wouldn’t be visiting him in prison if I was a family member!
I doubt he will be rehabilitated, he doesn’t seem to feel guilty. Probably feels sorry for himself and sees himself as the real victim!

Depends on the road type though amd id say a alim number of people are involved in fatal accidents at ridiculous speeds compared to public roads.

Some of these stats are quite surprising e.g. 85% of cars exceeded the speed limit at 20mph sites.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-speed-compliance-statistics-for-great-britain-2022/vehicle-speed-compliance-statistics-for-great-britain-2022#:~:text=speed%20limits%20webpage.-,Car%20compliance%20with%20speed%20limits,roads%20and%2045%25%20on%20motorways.

I look forward to you recruiting to fill the gap that the remaining prison officers leaving would make because conditions have got so bad. And then working out what to do with the consequences of even more dangerously understaffed prisons. Likewise you'll be able to the fill the places left by the education teams and everybody else who tried to rehabilitate prisoners but can't do their jobs because the prisoners have lost everything that will motivate them. On ever reducing budgets of course. And when you've finished that, perhaps you'll address the CAMHS of the little girl whose daddy went to prison and was never seen again.

I understand what you’re saying.
Some people’s crimes are truly evil.

But the punishment is being in prison and having most of the freedoms taken away.

Also his parents/kids did nothing wrong and this also affects them.

There is also the prison staff who have to deal with these men and there has to be some privileges and punishments to keep them on track, else they would act worse than feral animals.

He shouldn't be alive. Why does he get to murder 2 people, serve his time and go back to his life? Murdering bastards should be done away with.

I know a lot of people think they should be rehabilitated but I genuinely don't understand why. If it is that clear that you have made these decisions that lead to multiple deaths why the fuck should you be allowed to continue your life as normal.

How is this workable so that it's fair? For one prisoner who might desperately miss his children, there are hundreds who really don't care. Why should that one prisoner get a punishment that is disproportionately much worse for him than it is for all the others?

Taking that point of view though, neither is the prison sentence going to help the victims family.
Its about justice for me, and yes, that means punishment. And a scumbag who has killed innocent people having any privileges in prison (including visitors) is not justice in my eyes.
I know by the law of the land it is, but it’s why I would never be able to work as a lawyer. The punishments in this country never seem to fit the crime.

First of all, has the OP never made a mistake?

A mistake is leaving the iron on, overstaying the parking you've paid for or putting a red sock in with the whites.

Getting 3 times the drink drive limit and going at double the speed limit while using your phone is not a 'mistake' for fucks sake. It's a deliberate act. 3 deliberate acts added together.

The comment in this thread about not 'othering' him is the most ridiculous thing in a crowded field of ridiculous things I've ever read here. God forbid his feels get all hurty eh?

Well actually I agree that he should have the right to receive visitors.
I still hope no one does visit him.
Also I know that prison time is supposed to include rehabilitation as well as punishment. So that a prisoner such as him can be re educated into actually accepting his guilt and regretting his actions. Unfortunately due to the state of the prison service I doubt whether many prisoners these days get much in the way of re education and rehabilitation.
In fact after the Woman Prisoner Officer sex scandal it appears a lot of prisoners don't even get punishment.

How could this possibly happen? Are we seriously going to tell children routinely that their parent conveniently dropped dead at the moment of conviction? What happens when the parent comes out of prison? What if it turns out that the parent is in fact innocent?

What happened was truly dreadful and he deserves the sentence he received, and I can't for one moment imagine what the poor mother went through.

BUT OPs comments are vindictive and that's not the way to go. Prison is not just for punishment, ideally it brings rehabilitation and a recognition of guilt.

But realistically depriving the prisoner of visitors is going to do precisely nothing to help the families of the victims.

This. I work in a prison, it’s dangerous enough. We don’t need to make those conditions any worse.

@outside1inside yes we read it

Oh my god! Has anyone on this thread actually read what this bloke did??? He deserves to be hung drawn and quartered as far as I am concerned. Drink driving at over 140mph while taking selfies and flirting with the nurses when he was taken to hospital.

The mother found her little baby, dead, 50 meters from the car and her sisters body was shattered because of this (literally can't think of a vile enough description)

His children should be told he is dead and be able to get on with their lives. Not dragged to meet the murderer every week in prison.

Personally, I think that, depending on the crime, prison sentences should be a period of punishment followed by rehabilitation. The punishment being basic nutrition, recommended reading material only and no visitors. If it's a parent who committed a particular crime, then yes, his or her children should be allowed to visit during the rehab part, but not the punishment part. This would be a valuable lesson to the child that their parent committed a crime without any regard for them at all. Kids need to know that crime is a bad thing from an early age. Obviously this sort of sentence would not be across the board, but only in certain circumstances should it be made an option for judicial sentencing.

He took a photo.of the speedometer on his phone where it showed 141mph
He was on WhatsApp whilst driving
He stated something along the lines.of.accidemts happen and isn't it sad..That he drove into a car

He was also three times.over the limit.

His defence was he has a daughter.

He's a grade a.... Something.

Howevwr his family should have the ability to visit him and have contact. It's then up to them if they choose not to, or slowly reduce the frequency because they are rightfully disgusted at his actions and lack of remorse. That will have more impact than it being banned and him seeing it as yet another example of him being the victim rather than a consequence of his actions.

I've got to be brutally honest, in his case I wouldn't shed a tear if he did.

The man was drunk. He was speeding (and not by a little). He was on his phone. I can't think of any ways in which he could have been more reckless than he was. He showed not an ounce of remorse. He is an utter bastard of the lowest order. May he burn in hell.

Prison officers need something to withhold from him if he doesn't behave himself, OP. Managing someone with nothing to lose would be very scary.

Also, from a practical point of view, if you dehumanise prisoners in such a way how do you think you manage a prison? Where is the incentive for good behaviour? What sort of conditions will the prison officers & other prisoners be living under? Vindictiveness is a very bad way to run a prison system in a healthy society.