Some People In Prison Shouldn’t Be Allowed Visitors.

He won't do 17 years in prison, it's normally half, so 8.5 years, I know in some cases it's 2/3 but I can't work out if his conviction meet the criteria for that.

This is built into our prison sentencing rules.

Don't imagine " prison justice" will work against him, that's mainly revenge fantasy bollocks.

He will spend much of his time hanging out with like minded scumbags, playing video games and watching trash TV. Probably able to get drugs too.

My work has taken me into a number of prisons, at least ten and I worked in forensic mental health.

Prisons are run on the cheap, every corner cut, keep the prisoners happy so they don't kick off.

Didn’t know this, I have no words. How 17 years (likely will end up less) is justice I will never know. The past offences should be considered in my opinion he clearly hasn’t learnt or been rehabilitated.

My heart breaks for the family involved, I read the report after seeing this post hard to believe such evil exists 😔

With prisons you have two options

1. worry about re offending, and reducing crime rates/ keeping society safer

2)worry about punishing/ making sure that crime is severely punished and a strong message is put out, and a strong deterrent.

Generally it's proven that strong punishments eg life long imprisonment and death penalties don't improve offending rates

The system we have is based on criminals re entering society at some point and we have to equip them

Having worked within the system myself I've seen prison stays that have completely increased the risk to society. For example someone one goes in, loses their job, loses their accommodation, loses touch with relatives, is linked out of the benefits system, develops an addiction, loses touch with general society and is totally overwhelmed by life. They immediately leave have no accommodation, no support, potentially no money and re offend because either they want back in or because they feel they have no choice.

In reoffending you hope that it's breaking into a garden shed or something but often it's crimes with a real impact on a victim

You also have to weigh up the ability of being able to manage people in prison. The latest stats for example show there were more incidences of self harm in prisons then there were prisoners, that the suicide rate is high, and the assault rate on staff is high

People with nothing to lose are aggressive, and difficult to manage.

He’s already got 10 convictions behind him, before this one, including drink driving, battery, and assaulting an emergency worker. He’d been warned about his driving, whilst in Sheffield, a week before he killed these two innocent people. He will probably reoffend anyway.

I agree, but some people think making prisons as nasty and inhumane as possible will deter criminals. It doesn’t it just makes them more determined not to get caught.

Why should they be punished?
I knew a woman whose husband murdered his stepmother. It was gruesome and grisly. Her life, and that of her teenage daughter, were ruined forever. The rumours and lies that surrounded them were appalling. Should they be collateral damage for his actions too? Why?

Exactly. Once you start to do any differently, society is on its way to being totally inhumane.

He is a failed human.

It's not about his feelings. I don't care about his feelings. But saying he isn't human is wrong. He is. Unfortunately this is an act carried out by a human. He isn't something else. There's no point trying to distance him from the rest of us in that way. It won't help prevent it ever happening again or looking at what behaviours caused him to do this by waving it off as the act of an "animal" or a "monster"

Utter scum who will hopefully have a tough time inside while guards aren’t looking. However no visitors would mean when he released no relationships so what would he/it do? Reoffend? Commit more crime to survive?
I am utterly with you OP he needs to be punished and his hideous crime should have dire consequences but long term no visitors would be worse for society and the guards who have to look after this poor excuses of a human.

He’s a remorseless cunt and his sentence is inadequate. I hope - but doubt - his driving licence has been removed forever. He should lose the right to drive ever again.

But no, I don’t agree with no visitors. His punishment is the removal of his freedom for (hopefully) at least 17 years. That is no mean thing. We are not savages and should not behave as such towards those in our prison systems.

This man will one day get out and it is important to help maintain some kind of order whilst he’s in prison that he believes he has something to get out FOR - the preservation of familial bonds can be a strong feature in this. Not sure I’d want to see him myself, but if his family do, then they should not be impeded.

It's an awful story but withholding visitations for the whole of a prisoner's sentence benefits absolutely nobody.

Like it or not, most prisoners will re-enter society; would you rather that efforts are made to rehabilitate them first, or would you prefer that a concerned effort is made to destroy their mental health?

I was in an accident before Christmas. The man was on drugs, and he basically steered into me. At the time of the accident he had no license or insurance as he was awaiting a court hearing for other drug driving offences. Apparently you can still drive whilst you are waiting for your trial.

I’m still recovering from my physical injuries, but mentally I was shot because it prays on my mind that it’s only a matter of time before he kills someone.

YANBU, they don’t deserve any nice things. The criminal who caused my accident will get a one year ban apparently.

Show me one animal that drinks and drives.

Is it really a loss if a person like that driver does so? A child was robbed of childhood, another person is dead and a mother has to live without her child.

What about their cellmate? And IMB?

Just keep them locked in cells. That way they can't misbehave or harm prison staff.

Fair or not, prisoners are entitled to visits - usually monthly I think not weekly. I can see why people are aggrieved about it, but their family are not responsible for the crime and shouldn’t be punished any more. I don’t know if visits can be withdrawn if the prisoner breaks the rules? and used as an incentive to push good behaviour. Hope this can happen, I suspect visits would be one if the most important issues for most inmates.

Because thankfully 'I think this should happen' does not run the world

Sounds good in theory but how would it be controlled and decided?

YABU. People are sent to prison as a punishment, not to be punished.

@AzureAnt

"I hate it when violent nasty humans are called animals. Animals don't behave like that and most of them only kill to survive"

Completely agree

Some people are beyond help. That doesn’t change the fact that most people are not incarcerated for life. We are all safer if we at least attempt rehabilitation.

as for if it were one of my own. I’ve seen real monsters and society didn't send a single one of them to prison. The evil walk among us every day. Justice is rare.

All prisoners should be allowed visitors because at the end of the day, we as a society have a responsibility to uphold basic human rights and respect. It doesn't have to mean you like it, it doesn't have to mean you agree that he deserves visitors, what it means is that we do not allow state-sanctioned torture. That, even if people don't deserve to ever be released, that we still reduce the risk of them reoffending when they inevitably are. That we are not punishing innocent civilians, criminals' families, for crimes they didn't commit.

I don't care that you think "he should have thought about the impact on his own family before destroying someone else's." It's too late for that, he didn't think of them. That doesn't mean nobody should, especially when it comes to children. If you genuinely believe an innocent child should have their choice, their rights, their family, ripped away from them to appease a vague sense of justice which fails to consider the impact on real innocent people, well there's a very good reason you're not in charge of criminal justice.

Some of the posters here are acting like wrongful convictions never happen 🙄

I lost a family member in horrific circumstances, the person responsible was sentenced to 12 years. He killed himself within weeks of entering prison, and honestly, neither his sentence nor his death felt like justice or vengeance. I felt absolutely nothing. My family member wasn’t coming back either way.

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