Some People In Prison Shouldn’t Be Allowed Visitors.

I'm not really sure why you specifically target a drunk driver.... I'm not remote excusing it, and actually think sentences for drink driving should possibly be higher. But drink driving is an act of impossibly selfish stupidity. It's not an act of deliberate evil like when someone deliberately plans to and goes out to kill or rape someone. Or the systematic abuse of children over many years. There are far worse criminals in prison than this drunk driver. And they all get visits from their family, if their family still wants to know them.

Because collective punishment and punishment of relatives fir someone else's crimes is not the stuff of civilised societies. It flies in the face of human rights law. It is North Korea style behaviour!

You believe what you like, but children of prisoners have a host of improved outcomes via maintaining contact with their fathers vs those who do not.

Yikes

I really don't understand the thinking behind the OP. Which "people in prison" shouldn't be allowed visitors? And why? Which crimes are you targetting OP? All prisoners have been convicted of something after all, and the prison is the punishment. Why should some prisoners get extra punishment?

(FWIW, yes he's scrum, and if I were his family I'd be cutting him off and not visiting, but that's beside the point really).

Just keep them all locked up so they cannot reoffend and law-abiders are kept safe. Bring back the death penalty for the most heinous criminals.

Basically the legal system should be run for the benefit of law-abiders. The wishes and wellbeing of criminals should be at the bottom of the list of priorities. They chose to break the law, they have to live with the consequences of their actions.

Generally it's proven that strong punishments eg life long imprisonment and death penalties don't improve offending rates
@Hasbean2 there is another point to incarceration that you didn’t cover. Public protection. While he remains under lock and key, he cannot jump into another car while drunk (given his record, he would do it again, given the opportunity).

And while I'm not saying that I'm in favour of the death penalty (risk of miscarriage of justice etc.), it's also true that no corpse ever reoffended.

Majority of people are able to drive to the laws of the roads.

They are not! It's mercifully rare that it's as egregious as this, but speeding and other road traffic offences are prolific, and offenders rarely face justice.

It wasn't a mistake. If he'd momentarily lost concentration eg by adjusting his radio - THAT would have been a mistake.

When you go out and drive while drunk, that is a choice. You are reckless as to whether you kill or injure someone. It is way more serious than a mistake.

I didn't know this. I thought at least he got 17 years - I know of another drunk driving case where someone killed two teenage girls and only got 6 years, so was out in 3 - so was glad this lowlife had a reasonably commensurate sentence for what he had done.

There's an argument for a whole life term in this sort of case, it's pretty close to murder.

I hope - but doubt - his driving licence has been removed forever.

Judge gave him a 21.5yr driving ban but reports differ as to whether that is concurrent or consecutive to his sentence.

"Police found an empty vodka bottle in the wreckage of his car."

"He had been using WhatsApp while he drove and took a photograph on his phone in which Ms Warner's Peugeot could be seen, showing the speedometer at 141mph, moments before the crash."

"Analysis of the Audi's computer showed he had the accelerator fully depressed, did not brake before impact, and that a collision warning light was illuminated on the dashboard."

What an utter piece of shit.

Because the punishment for his crime is the loss of his liberty, not the loss of contact with his own loved ones. His family would also potentially suffer from this, and they are innocent. He is also a person for whom it would be anticipated there would be rehabilitation and reform. This is far more likely to be achieved if he has a life to rehabilitate himself for, and family visits also act as a carrot to help control behaviour in prison. Take everything away from a person and they've nothing left to lose, which makes people more of a problem to society rather than less, both inside and outside of prison.

No such place

Just because you feel a certain way, doesn't mean it's 'human nature',
I don't feel that way and nor do many others.
Your (and the others expressing similar desires) says more about you than him.

Another reason why people shouldn't be allowed to drink on planes either.
Notice he lost his licence for 21 years too.
Why not forever?
It's like this country is just too scared to come down hard on people.

No. Sorry, but people in prison will one day be out amongst us again and while this fucker appears to feel no remorse, hopefully he will one day accept responsibility for his actions and that will make him a better person.
Dehumanising prisoners is to the detriment of society.

I believe they get a set minimum (provided anyone wants to visit them) and can get extra for good behaviour

Prison staff do manage prisoners who.have whole life sentences already
It's possible

A mistake no.
A choice yes.

Made a choice to drive like that and drink.
Everyone knows it's wrong and dangerous.

Very insulting to the víctims to.mimimilise this.

You wouldn't be saying this if it were your family he killed.

I saw this case and was horrified.
He got drunk on the plane on the way back from holiday and then drove home from the airport as speed while using his phone. I saw the footage of him being arrested and he was whining about how he was having a bad day and how he had a Business he needed to run after being told he had killed 2 people.
While I absolutely hope he rots in Hell I am not sure banning him from having visitors is appropriate even if it were possible.

Due to the length of his sentence he will most likely be expected to be imprisoned for at least 2/3 of his sentence. He will then be eligible for release if he has met certain criteria, which often includes showing a level of remorse and engaging in rehabilitation programmes, usually when it's a lengthy sentence more than one prison worker will need to agree that he is ready for release on licence.

A lot of people often don't realise that our sentencing isn't just about the time spent in prison, it also includes a period of time on licence outside of prison, where they are monitored and bound by certain guidelines and rules.

Also in many crimes/sentences it isn't always automatic release after half/two thirds of a sentence.

I used to sit on early release/tag/open prison/licensing panels in my role working in a prison. The decision to release early under licence wasn't always straight forward.

This is similar to a dreadful accident nearby .The driver was on cake and had been drinking as well .Hit a young Mum an her baby of 4 weeks! Managed to push baby out of the way .She had life changing injuries! Got 12 years in prison. His family are innocent though.

Because the visits aren't just for his sake,they're for the sake of his family too.

Would you feel the same if it happened to one of yours?

This is an irrelevant question.
There are many very good reasons why the victims of crime, and those closest to them, have no say in the punishment of a criminal.

A criminal's sentence is based on legal decisions and judgements, not revenge.

How a country treats its criminals is a good judge in how a country treats everyone else. A civilised country will treat its criminals in a better way than an uncivilised one.

It's also not just for the benefit of the criminal. Visitation is also for the benefit of their families - children, spouse, parents, grandparents, etc.