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To blame nursery for this?

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gggal · 09/07/2024 18:16

And to be annoyed about it?

dd is in nursery Monday to Wednesday. Without fail her nappies are terrible on those days. It then takes a day or so with me to get them to firm up again. Then she has normal nappies. Only for the same thing to happen again come Monday. She’s 18 months.

They keep food diaries for all toddlers. She isn’t having anything different at home but I assume the quality of food must be pretty bad for this to be happening? It’s honestly awful and I am sick of changing multiple nappies on days she has come back from nursery!!!!

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notanothernana · 10/07/2024 14:53

Could be stress?

BookArt · 10/07/2024 11:56

You need to know the brands of the food they are using, including things like oils they are cooking with. Chances are there is an intolerance to a food and you don't have the exact same food at home. Some factories have more cross contamination than others or more likely is there might be a different ingredient added to the nursery's purchased food than you own.

It does feel a little that you want to blame the nursery instead of working with them to figure it out so your child doesn't have to struggle. As loose stools will make potty training tricky so it is your best interests to try some of the advice above as you've been given several suggestions. It isn't up to the nursery to figure it out, it is yours. You need to work around the problems, instead of just blaming someone/the nursery when they haven't actually done anything wrong.

gggal · 10/07/2024 07:46

Marblessolveeverything · 10/07/2024 07:43

You aren't reading my posts properly.

Yes it is likely linked it is her choice of "blame" .Blame implies inappropriate care, there have been comments referring to qualified chefs. It is hardly a risk in having a well experienced cook rather than chef if financially not viable.

It isn't an error giving a known intolerant. She has identified a source and needs to work with them.

But the reality is her replicating and tracking their menu at home over five days will give results quicker.,It's simple logic🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

@Marblessolveeverything you do realise you’re responding to me as OP but referring to me in the third person? I have checked the menu, it has nothing on it that isn’t already consumed at home. Which is why I query the quality of the food.

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Marblessolveeverything · 10/07/2024 07:43

gggal · 10/07/2024 07:11

@Marblessolveeverything I’m amazed you’re baffled. I explain in my OP. Did you even read it? 🤦🏼‍♀️

You aren't reading my posts properly.

Yes it is likely linked it is her choice of "blame" .Blame implies inappropriate care, there have been comments referring to qualified chefs. It is hardly a risk in having a well experienced cook rather than chef if financially not viable.

It isn't an error giving a known intolerant. She has identified a source and needs to work with them.

But the reality is her replicating and tracking their menu at home over five days will give results quicker.,It's simple logic🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

BookArt · 10/07/2024 07:11

gggal · 10/07/2024 07:09

@BookArt they won’t allow this

Go to the doctor. If they advise that this is a good suggestion you can get them to write it down and the nursery are encouraged to comply.
What were there reasons for not allowing this?
At our nursery two dodgy nappies in one day the child is sent home.

gggal · 10/07/2024 07:11

Marblessolveeverything · 09/07/2024 22:00

YABU. Obviously something is upsetting her stomach so she is sensitive to something. How on earth you equate that as blame for the nursery baffles me.

Have you spoken to them have you compared her diet and identified any differences?

@Marblessolveeverything I’m amazed you’re baffled. I explain in my OP. Did you even read it? 🤦🏼‍♀️

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gggal · 10/07/2024 07:09

BookArt · 10/07/2024 07:03

I'd do a week where you supply all the food, lunch box style. Everything, down to snacks. And see if there is an improvement.

I had to do this with my little one because of a mysterious allergy. It ruled out the nursery being the problem and if our case it was pollen. But nursery were open to doing it to support us.

@BookArt they won’t allow this

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gggal · 10/07/2024 07:08

lawnseed · 09/07/2024 21:47

This

When ds2 was in nursery they produced a lovely menu of the foods (beef, lamb etc.). It then transpired that he was being fed Quorn mince and cream crackers and jam at each visit. We complained.

@lawnseed how did you find that out?

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BookArt · 10/07/2024 07:03

I'd do a week where you supply all the food, lunch box style. Everything, down to snacks. And see if there is an improvement.

I had to do this with my little one because of a mysterious allergy. It ruled out the nursery being the problem and if our case it was pollen. But nursery were open to doing it to support us.

NoNameisGoodEnough · 09/07/2024 22:23

I'm guessing they use sweetener in the desserts to meet the low sugar target and it is that causing the diarrhoea. Like if you eat too make sugar free sweets

Marblessolveeverything · 09/07/2024 22:16

Tablesalt111 · 09/07/2024 22:09

I think because its a pattern for the days the child is at nursery and then reverts back to normal when at home.🤔 I'm not saying it's the nursery I'm just guessing that's why op thinks it is...

Yes but it's the accusatory tone. They can't avoid a trigger if her parents are not working on a food diary. The nursery provided the menu it is up to the parents to figure out the triggers.

Edingril · 09/07/2024 22:12

So you have no actual evidence it is the nursery doing anything wrong so your first instinct is to blame?

There could be lots of reasons

Tablesalt111 · 09/07/2024 22:09

Marblessolveeverything · 09/07/2024 22:00

YABU. Obviously something is upsetting her stomach so she is sensitive to something. How on earth you equate that as blame for the nursery baffles me.

Have you spoken to them have you compared her diet and identified any differences?

I think because its a pattern for the days the child is at nursery and then reverts back to normal when at home.🤔 I'm not saying it's the nursery I'm just guessing that's why op thinks it is...

Mysterian · 09/07/2024 22:05

One nursery I was a student at had a fantastic menu but then gave the children chips, value ham and beans or similar every day and lied. Another one I was in for a bit had an amazing menu. I still remember a creamy chicken dish topped with fresh torn tarragon that I would have paid £20 for in a restaurant. And all the rest varied between those 2. Nurseries vary massively.

Probably one thing that disagrees with her. Maybe cow milk.

Marblessolveeverything · 09/07/2024 22:00

YABU. Obviously something is upsetting her stomach so she is sensitive to something. How on earth you equate that as blame for the nursery baffles me.

Have you spoken to them have you compared her diet and identified any differences?

Overthebow · 09/07/2024 21:55

Heelworkhero · 09/07/2024 20:52

I worked in nurseries for years.
The in-house ‘chefs’ have just usually done a basic course in food hygiene.
They reheat cheap food and make very basic meals.
Private nurseries are focused on making a profit, not providing the most nourishing food for children.

The chefs are usually only in to make lunch. Tea is put together by other staff and will be pretty basic.

I’m not saying this will cause bad nappies. Merely pointing out the incorrect belief that chefs dedicated to creating delicious, nourishing meals create the food.

Many nurseries now have all food cooked off-site by a commercial provider that is delivered ready to heat up for meal time.

Of course, this won’t be highlighted by the setting or the menu and they all talk about the ‘chefs’ on their website.

You must work in a very different nursery to the one we use them. Ours has an actual chef who cooks all the meals. there’s tasting for the parents every time there’s a new menu and the food is good quality, lots of fruit and veg and proper meals.

DidYouChargeYourPhoneUp · 09/07/2024 21:53

Why are you posting on here and not talking to the nursery? Fucking hell

lawnseed · 09/07/2024 21:47

Ponderingwindow · 09/07/2024 20:47

do they use food with artificial sweeteners at nursery? They can bowel cause problems for some people.

This

When ds2 was in nursery they produced a lovely menu of the foods (beef, lamb etc.). It then transpired that he was being fed Quorn mince and cream crackers and jam at each visit. We complained.

gggal · 09/07/2024 21:41

MrsBigTed · 09/07/2024 20:39

More fiber at nursery would be my bet, played havoc with DS's bowls if he ever had more than 1 portion of fruit, right up until he was 5

@MrsBigTed it could be that actually as always seems there’s loads of fruit on the list everyday

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Rycbar · 09/07/2024 21:39

Heelworkhero · 09/07/2024 20:52

I worked in nurseries for years.
The in-house ‘chefs’ have just usually done a basic course in food hygiene.
They reheat cheap food and make very basic meals.
Private nurseries are focused on making a profit, not providing the most nourishing food for children.

The chefs are usually only in to make lunch. Tea is put together by other staff and will be pretty basic.

I’m not saying this will cause bad nappies. Merely pointing out the incorrect belief that chefs dedicated to creating delicious, nourishing meals create the food.

Many nurseries now have all food cooked off-site by a commercial provider that is delivered ready to heat up for meal time.

Of course, this won’t be highlighted by the setting or the menu and they all talk about the ‘chefs’ on their website.

I also worked in nurseries for years and this isn’t my experience at all. Children had two hot meals a day prepared by staff with actual qualifications.

SecondhandTable · 09/07/2024 21:14

Yes, my kids' nursery has a chef too. He's worked there for over 5 years and is soon leaving for a new (better paid!) career. I have seen the job advert for his role and it's essential for candidates to have kitchen experience as well as the required food hygiene quals etc. The chef also works every day until after the last meal is sorted, the hours are on the advert, so it's not just lunch they're making. Although usually the lunch is the bigger affair. I've always been very happy with the food there and it's all cooked from scratch on site.

Tartfulodger · 09/07/2024 21:13

You might be surprised but a difference in water quality can cause the shits. It may be nothing to do with solid food.

AnnaCBi · 09/07/2024 21:11

Id speak to the GP and the make a meeting with the manager to discuss. Discuss the issue and how to resolve, not blame!

AnnaCBi · 09/07/2024 21:10

Heelworkhero · 09/07/2024 20:52

I worked in nurseries for years.
The in-house ‘chefs’ have just usually done a basic course in food hygiene.
They reheat cheap food and make very basic meals.
Private nurseries are focused on making a profit, not providing the most nourishing food for children.

The chefs are usually only in to make lunch. Tea is put together by other staff and will be pretty basic.

I’m not saying this will cause bad nappies. Merely pointing out the incorrect belief that chefs dedicated to creating delicious, nourishing meals create the food.

Many nurseries now have all food cooked off-site by a commercial provider that is delivered ready to heat up for meal time.

Of course, this won’t be highlighted by the setting or the menu and they all talk about the ‘chefs’ on their website.

Well my daughter’s nursery has a chef, I see him daily. The food is delicious.

Gdjkiygv · 09/07/2024 21:10

Mmmm sounds like it could be a reaction to an ingredient… My daughter always got diahhroea from foods that she was allergic/Intolerant too.
Do they have a different brand of milk to you? Some powdered milks have fish oil in them which my daughter reacted to.
id look through the detailed ingredient lists of their menu for those days (often on repeat by days of week) and see if there’s anything she doesn’t usually have at home.