To wonder why it's so controversial to talk about white behaviour throughout history?

I think some people (particularly younger people) in the west are so anti West whilst forgetting how lucky they are to actually live in the west. So they just keep slating the western countries.

Some ignore any accountability of individual nations to sort themselves out a bit. Its all poor them, its our fault. Everything is the fault of the west, ignore uncomfortable untruths that it isn't.

I don’t think it is necessary to self-flagellate just because we are discussing effects of invasions and colonialism.
I certainly do not feel personally responsible for anything that has happened before my time, but it is interesting to study and pick at the mechanisms. It is human nature in all its awfulness and glory.

Also, it is too late. These things have already happened. The good thing is that more voices and stories from the past can be read, heard and studied now so we can get a fuller picture (even if it can never be complete).
Can we avoid repeating the mistakes?
It doesn’t look like it. But wider points of reference for people rarely goes amiss in my opinion.

I can see MN are allowing this goady thread continuing. Well that's not a surprise, no wonder so many are voting for reform ect.

It's just like media and film virtually every single character is either of colour or in a mixed relationship. Schools and universities' are are evaluating all they teach and as the say goes white colonial history all bad you should be ashamed.

Cut, deleted remove or edit out anything and everything that may be perceived to be triggering. Forums full of bullshit posts like "White behavior" where the reverse would be immediately banned. Quite frankly as a caucasian white country, where a majority are 83% white still, it has no reflection on the new movement trying to make every thing 50% / 50% and more.

Since the black lives matter protests (USA Induced hysteria) and taking the knee its appears there is a growing culture of divisive behaviour where particular members of society feel free to now bully harass and goad hiding behind this knowing people are to scared or afraid to speak out for being canceled.

Well I for one have had enough and I can sense resentment growing within the community where I live and you reap what you sow.

I have no white guilt and no remorse, I have reuse to accept I have privilege and live my life to support my family and friends.I dont give a shit what your colour is as long as you are qualified to your job and your the best person for it.

If you want to claim coutries are still behind the times in racial and social norms them go to Dubai, go to the east. Hell go to any other country and none and I guarantee you none would bend over quite like this country.

The UK since the dawn of time has been a melting pot of conquer, rape, pillage and slavery, all our ancestors no matter what color they are have been subject to horrific and barbaric treatment throughout the ages. No one group holds the I win button and for god sake there is far more to history than the time of just colonial slave history.

If you so damn bothered about making some change, go to the arab muslim countries and protest there about the 1500 years of arab muslim slaves from africa and how they castrated and abused them. Lets see how long you last, the UK is a welcoming tolerant society and it seems some are not content until they break that.

Apparently problems only started when white people arrived. Utopia before that.

The history no one ever talks is what atrocities Middle Easterns rulers carried out in India for centuries.

Not true.

White people are continually told how awful they are/were and the problems they've caused. Also continually asked to apologise for it. Brought up constantly. Me or no-one in my ancestry was involved in the slave trade but tarred with the same brush as the small number of wealthy people who were.

I think it's easy, convenient and a cop out to just blame white western nations for all the problems of the world. But there you go.

Also I wonder is people are aware of the slavery in Africa and Asia that is happening today - 7 million slaves in Africa today

We are berated for things we did 700-500 years ago yet those people turn a blind eye to what’s happening now because it’s not politically correct to shine a light on it.

Bad bad white people…..

www.okoarefuge.org/modern-day-slavery-the-sad-reality-of-human-trafficking-in-africa/

OK, I'm not moaning. I was just confused. Maybe I need more sleep.

This thread is specifically about white people, yes it is full of "what about xyz". You can't moan just when it goes the other way.
It is a "whataboutery" as valid as any other on this thread.

I really don't understand what people are talking about. A PP said 100,000s girls were abused by Pakistani gangs in the UK. I responded it was awful but nowhere near 100,000s. Someone else responded to me "Catholic priests?". I responded that the PP was talking specifically about Pakistani men. Now you say this?
I'm so lost and confused by all these responses 🤣🤣

Whataboutery has carried this thread. You can't draw the line when it stops suiting you.

What are you talking about? The poster was specifically talking about the grooming done by men of "Pakistani heritage" - her words. This thread is insane.

Yes it is. Your post is about the negative behaviours of white people. How can you say that’s not racist? It comes across as goady and race baiting. And I have responded because I find it offensive, much like several other posters have.

Do you think people from the Hebrides today spend their time collecting seaweed instead of attending school?
Do you think they don't learn to read or write? Why would an ancestor staying in the Hebrides (instead of being forced to leave) mean that someone is unable to post on MN today?

I think you forgot to a 'White' in front of your username

Oh look! They are trying to imply that you are doing a RaCisM. Don’t let people like this shame you ffs

This is the equivalent of a rapist moaning about his victim being ungrateful for the generosity of his attention

Nobody brought you or your ancestors to the UK. They freely chose to arrive. Most countries do not allow you to just go to another country and ‘become’ as a local. It’s just not a thing. But white British people have broadened what it means to be British to encompass people of vastly different cultures and ethnicities.

I personally question the wisdom of this, but they did it and your ancestors took advantage of the opportunity.

Often from lands ravaged by white brutality, privilege and entitlement

Pretty much the human condition. You could also blame the Ottomans, Mughals and Bantus for doing the same but …. it isn’t in your interest to highlight any of that

where God fearing men had tried to rape the colour out of its peoples, whilst murdering its men and children

Tbh that doesn’t sound like it happened at any large scale. Be specific. To what incident are you referring?

Have white English people been enslaved, their country taken over?

Err, Vikings raping and pillaging, Romans taking over a large portion of the country…..

Also, not buying into “white privilege” either, and no one ever better say that to my face. I’ve lived in a few other countries and you just wouldn’t get away there with saying the majority of the original population were privileged. They’d lose their shit.

I love a discussion. This thread is not a discussion, unless you have a very low bar for what a discussion is. It's the usual racially motivated dross, 'racism doesn't exist', 'its not true', 'be grateful', 'ethnic countries are just as bad' different iterations of the racist's version of NAMALT.

What do you know about the development of countries and communities around the world before the colonial empires reached them? What do you know about what it is like to be an ethnic minority in this country? Closer to home what do you know about racism and unequal health outcomes. What do you know about structural and systemic racism?

Its funny women can be trusted recognise sexism and misogyny but ethnic minorities cannot be trusted to recognise racism.

The Irish and Welsh [ and Scots] were all over the colonies fyi (and no, not just as oppressed servants and dispossessed emigrants). They don't like to face this, but tough.

I'm not asking you to "fucking educate" me.

I'm trying to have a discussion with you.
If you don't want to then don't "fucking" have one.

Would you congratulate descendants of African slaves for their British education and access to MN? Case in point.

Yet you have not forth a discussion point, to counter the point being made.
I presented some basic facts to the points raised. I didn't mention uptopia because it doesn't exist, a bit like the world that WRB described. Racism 101 - its not my fucking job to educate you.

👏👏exactly

Unfortunately that would mean that all creeds, colours and religions would have to take some responsibly for their actions and various areas don't seem to want to do that.

slavery, child beating, women not having a voice, just some of history that was mentioned
in society today, modern day slavery, young women being victims of genital mutalation, girls of 12 being forced to marry a grown man.

none appears to be mentioned. Still wanna discuss white history or discuss what’s going on modern day in all races and the wrongs of society

Yet you have not forth a discussion point, to counter the point being made.

Is it that you don't think that it would be a utopia because there were many different people fighting each other and taking others to be sold as slaves, raped in wars etc.

Or you believe that it would be/was a utopia and was only spoiled by the white man arriving?