To wonder why it's so controversial to talk about white behaviour throughout history?

This. The slave trade could not have happened without black slave traders. All sides acted badly.

It's not and shouldn't be controversial to talk about anything in history as long as the facts are correct. Sounds like you are trying to make it controversial. You have to consider who has written about history and whether they have missed certain aspects, and acknowledge that history involves all races, not to mention all sexes. That was lacking, it's good that other people's experience of history is explored these days. Including women's contributions, which were also lacking recognition until recent times.

this is the case in the uk but not all white people are from countries where colonisation occurred . I’m from a predominantly white country that was historically poverty ridden and was colonised and treated appallingly by the uk government in the past . I don’t blame people in the uk for this . I don’t think it’s fair to say “white “ history. Not all white people have the same history .

They refuse to accept it because it doesn’t suit their narrative that they are trying to peddle.

I wasn’t even going to engage with this thread but just popping in briefly to say Forget it, they deliberately will struggle to understand the term, while simultaneously understanding exactly what is meant by male behaviour. What I’ve learnt from MN is a lot of white feminists are racists and fully complicit in the oppression of black and Asian people. Some are even justifying voting for parties like Reform because “brown men” make them feel unsafe - ha! As if White men are safer!

Exactly. And if the thread had been about the behaviour of any race other than white people then I guarantee it would have been reported and pulled by now.

I think that you are missing the point that if people want to talk about history then they need to be talking about the whole of the history of that subject area.

If we do not do this then we are given out false and biased information.

I think that a lot of those complaining about what is taught in history today are very out of date with just what is taught in history lessons today.
Which given the complaint is somewhat ironic.

I’m a History teacher at a state school in England. I’m not sure where you’ve got this idea we don’t teach the stuff you talk about above, but I can most certainly state many schools do teach both sides of the argument, History is for children to make their own minds up on so we show them sources and how to analyse them. Very lazy of you to not actually research then make wrong generalisations on what is taught in British schools. It feels like you want to make the political point that we are all purposely ignorant but you can’t back it up with facts. Well you are wrong

The slave trade in Africa has been going on since before records began - way longer than the trans Atlantic slave trade and shit load longer that Churchill. I suggest you have a real look at it. Just Google it.

It’s embarrassing that you are refusing to accept that this is actually part of their ancient heritage. People were just tricked in to believing that it was the white men who started slavery.

You are so obsessed with the idea that it’s the ‘white mans fault’ that you are keeping your self ignorant to the very real problems millions of people are suffering through the

https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studies/nigeria/

This explains the many reasons for slavery in Africa ( study on Nigeria) today - and you know what i think you’ll be surprised

after your last post I can see you’re extremely blinkered so won’t be discussing this with you any more.

We understand the point - but balance is important.

Im not joining the band wagon of self flagellation.

What’s the point in saying ‘oh yes we are the baddies for what we did’ whilst TODAY those very countries have a slave trade of 18 MILLION people - Mass slaughter of whole villages, severe corruption, children being kidnapped to join wars.

Its not trendy or politically correct to discuss what’s happening now

Why are people being so obtuse? If you can't make a single comment without saying "but ABC did xyz" you aren't even trying to understand the point of the OP.

Agreed 👏🏻

@coupdetonnerre

The point is that the term "white behaviour" is incorrect and needlessly divisive.
By all means lets talk about slavery or colonialism but lets not pretend that it is just a "white behaviour".

There are many on here that have posted about historical truth, but they don't want historical truth they want to blame "white behaviour" for the wrongs of history when pretty much all nations, creeds, colours and religions have been as bad as each other.

I know I’m not to blame for what these countries do to their own citizens.

I note you keep avoiding that in Africa there is 7 million slaves and 11 million in India - today

Who is responsible for that …. Not Churchill surely - but the Indians and Africans who kidnap and sell them?? Or is that the U.K. fault too?

The men in charge of these countries are just that - in charge of their own countries.

I will not be blamed for dictators on the other side of the world.

11 million slaves in India and 7 million in Africa today and it’s the white mans fault 🤔

Why don’t the leaders of these countries just say - no?

I don’t love Churchill either but I’m glad he got us through the war!

I think what you teach your children is to build resentment over the past rather than embracing the future.

Regarding Africa - there are currently 7 million slaves today - that’s nothing to do with Churchill but to do with Africas own people.

Africa was given its own opportunity but it is one of the most corrupt dangerous places in the world - slaves and mass slaughter. Government stealing aid a building huge mansions with pools whilst the people don’t have water to drink.

England left India in the 40s - they have had nearly 100 years to get things right but their own people choose to govern they way they do.

By the way there are 11 million slaves in India today - is that also Churchills fault?

I refuse to be guilt tripped by countries who will not accept responsibility for their own failures in modern times.

Yet you would be speaking German now and all the Jewish people, disabled people, romanies would have been slaughtered in the U.K. if it wasn’t for him.

He was the right man for the job.

Well I don’t love him either but he was an extraordinary man during the war - and the right man for the job. After the war we needed to rebuild and have a fairer society. He wasn’t ever going to do that and wasn’t interested in doing so.

The wartime government Churchill led was a coalition- the National Government. He didn't win a general election. Chamberlain resigned & he took over. After the war there was an election, the first for 10 years, and Labour won with a landslide. Churchill got Britain through the war but this didnt mean he was popular. He and the Conservatives were shocked by the election result.