To wonder why it's so controversial to talk about white behaviour throughout history?

Everybody appears to have enslaved Africans. I listen to the World Service a lot, and it is the only place that Africans appear to have a platform allowing Africa and Africans to speak for themselves. Like most politicians, a lot is drivel but I firmly believe there are some who could harness the talent (there's a lot just in fashion and the arts and so there's as much, less easily illustrated to celebrate). Africa will, I predict, jump out of its skin to skip into the influence zone.

The value is that’s it’s really eye opening to see the lengths people will go to not admitting the African slave trade was already up and running by the African people before the trans Atlantic take over and then continued after - to this day.

Really odd…

Why do you struggle to reply to my question?

Is African people selling African people ok?

Try not change the subject this time …

And the Arabs also enslaved the Africans

Suppress your inner grammarian @Kinshipug . It's detracting from the value of you posts.

There's the unnecessary "but" again. If you wish to add context "and" "in addition" etc all work without diminishing the original point.

But the African people selling African people was/is ok?

It is not a half thruth at all. It is entirely wrong that we traded in African people. There are no buts needed.

Focusing on one particular aspect of it and omitting the bigger picture is very telling because it’s fits the narrative better of ‘The bad white people’

Its a half truth you peddle

The context only matters if your intent is to minimize our role.

It really wasn't that long ago though. A couple of generations at most in lots of places.

Point to wear I said slavery is ok.

I don't context ever makes slavery ok. The "but" isn't necessary.

I never said it was. But the slave trade was well under way before the Portuguese kicked it off trans Atlantic. The British we the leaders in banning it - using the Royal Navy to stop it,

But the slave trade in Africa continued after we stopped and continues to this day.

That’s why context is important.

And if it’s still evident today after we have long left the country - that’s on them. We cannot be held accountable for shit they choose to do today

It’s a very very left attitude that believes none white people have no agency over themselves.

Yes everyone knows it's fine to buy people as long as they're already for sale!

Oh good god. The Africans were selling each other well before we come along lovely.

You remind me of Dr Shola who is extremely vocal about her hatred of the bad white people yet likes to keep it secret her grand fathers made a fortune from selling people with the same colour skin.

Context is everything thing.

What's this we? My, incredibly white, people were oppressed to the point of near genocide? My family members, many who were alive right into my adulthood, had to fight for our independence and again in the civil war that resulted from the deliberately inflammatory conditions on our independence, designed to ensure it couldn't last. Meaning that years later we needed to engage in eight year long trade war to make it actually feasible.

Who is actually responsible for improving our lives 200 plus years on? In those intervening 200 ish years, did descendents of slaves have no opportunity to improve their lot? Why did some former British colonies flourish yet others didn't? The unpalatable answer for some, is that corrupt governments created after the end of British reign looked after themselves and not the Country.

An excellent example of African exploitation of their own people is Ethiopia. I remember as a kid breaking my heart at the TV pictures of starving children, seeing Bono & Geldoff telling us to give up our pocket money to help those poor people. As I got older I discovered that Ethiopia is a relatively wealthy Country, has good agriculture and is mineral rich. It is their own governing rich that allow their people to starve. It was only very briefly invaded by Italy. So had it's entire destiny made by it's own people.

The subject of reparations is divisive. The biggest question for me is that, who is actually deserving of them if any. After all, millions of UK whites were in abject poverty during the same periods. They were slaves in every way bar name during the industrial revolution.

This makes no fucking sense to anyone who knows more than one tiny sliver of history. I'm white. The whitest of pale white. My people were near genocided repeatedly over 800 years of occupation. The British didn't come here and oppress us because of colour. It had fuck the fuck all to do with it.

Mongolian invasions and colonisations of China had fuck all to do with colour. Manchu oppression of Han people had nothing to do with colour. Han oppression of Manchu people has nothing to do with colour. The Japanese imperial invasions of China, Korea, etc had nothing to do with colour. The Oyo colonisation of Fon or Dahomey had nothing to do with colour. The slave trade of the Dahomey had nothing to do with colour.

Stronger societies oppress their neighbours. That's it. People can use skin colour, religion, culture, political ideals, etc to justify taking what they want. But all people's of all colour have done that throughout history. And as history shows, when things change enough that the tables can turn, the formerly oppressed often go on to oppress their former oppressors as neither was inherently good or bad. Just weaker and stronger.

How come places like Singapore (independence in 1963) and HK in (1997) can be colonised by the UK, and then become some of the richest, well run places on the planet?

They were left with a template for order, and a great infrastructure and they built on it to become amazing, wealthy places.

Everywhere else just uses it as an excuse for being corrupt and chaotic.

Perhaps you should have said white English in your thread then. “White behaviour “ implies that people behaved in a certain way throughout history solely because of their skin colour. It’s a lot more complicated than that.